4th Gen Outlander PHEV

[Pew]

Just starting a thread for all 4th Gen Outlander PHEV owners to discuss the new model. I've had the car for a week now and aside from the slow AC charge rate and distinct lack of Chademo support here in the west, everything has been going great so far.

[apterafan]

Perhaps you should measure the charging energy while it is new so you can monitor battery degradation.
Power/energy meters are cheap if you don't have one - about $15 on ebay.
My 2019? PHEV is down to about 6.5kWh going in to the charger - I assume about %90 goes into the battery - so 6kWh into what is supposed to be a 10.5kWh battery.
I regret I didn't get a baseline reading when I bought the car.
My impression was range dropped of rapidly in the first year.

[brendon_m]

Perhaps you should measure the charging energy while it is new so you can monitor battery degradation.
Power/energy meters are cheap if you don't have one - about $15 on ebay.
My 2019? PHEV is down to about 6.5kWh going in to the charger - I assume about %90 goes into the battery - so 6kWh into what is supposed to be a 10.5kWh battery.
I regret I didn't get a baseline reading when I bought the car.
My impression was range dropped of rapidly in the first year.

If that is the case you should definitely be hitting up Mitsubishi before the 5 year mark because it shouldn't have dropped that far already. Have you tried using phev watchdog? That should give you a more accurate reading of battery SoH

[mikedufty]

Another vote for getting PHEV watchdog app, very useful, although sometimes I'd rather not be seeing the rate the State of Health is going down.
I don't think it supports the 4th gen though, so the charging energy measurement might be useful on the new one.
I think it may be viewable on the car info screen if you can find the right one.
Bear in mind the car shouldn't generally let the battery go below around 30% charge though, so you don't expect to see the full battery capacity going in on a charge, only 70%.

[apterafan]

Thanx. I've never heard of it (watchdog app) will have a look.
This is a car with 50k EV range when new and 30k now. You shouldn't go over %80 either - Using 30-80% would be quite useless unless you only drive to the corner shop or similar.

[mikedufty]

Using 30-80% would be quite useless unless you only drive to the corner shop or similar.

Sorry I wasn't very clear there. The reported range on the car goes to 0 and it starts running the engine when there is still about 30% capacity remaining in the battery.
I'm not saying you should charge when it gets down to 30% remaining, I'm saying that when you run it as flat as the car will allow you to, there is still about 30% in reserve, so you are never going to see the full nominal capacity going in on a charge.
Mine gets about 8.5kwh in on a full charge, but it's a 2020 model with the slightly bigger 12 kWh battery.

[apterafan]

Thanx for the clarification.
This is where a measurement on a new car would be interesting. I was seeing approx 7.6kWh into the charger a year ago and 6.6hWh now. Seems like a linear trend down.
Range is about 30Klm. I think I got close to 50Klm when new. 50Klm on a 10.5kWh battery is about 200Wh per Klm which seems about right to me but maybe it is less. Do you know?
I'm running A/C most of the time but tests without it didn't seem to be very different.
I've ordered an OBD2 interface so I might have better numbers in future.
As you may guess from my handle I'm hanging out for an Aptera and hope I don't have to buy another car before then (2025?)

[ppendoppo]

I have a 2019. Very happy, but—

I've been using Chargefox happily for years with my 2019 Outlander and now tried Evie, who are everywhere in Vic. In two different locations it has charged and then given me an EV Service Required and ACC Not Available errors, with the ICE system basically not working, going into limp home mode. It was fixed by clearing the diagnostic logs using a dedicated OBD unit. Is this a known fault? That it is only with Evie, not Chargefox or my own ESVE charger makes me suspicious. Evie have gone silent on the complainant.

[bje]

I regret I didn't get a baseline reading when I bought the car.
My impression was range dropped of rapidly in the first year.

How is the Outlander battery cooled? Or is like a LEAF and not actively cooled?

[brendon_m]

How is the Outlander battery cooled? Or is like a LEAF and not actively cooled?

There is a little Air-conditioner evaporator inside that battery pack and a blower fan to blow the chilled air over the cells. Better than a LEAF but not as good as proper liquid or refrigerant cooling system that is in contact with the cells

[bje]

OK, so just like the 2011 iMIEV. Air cooling just doesn't cut it these days. I'm quite amazed Mitsubishi persists with it.

[apterafan]

Another vote for getting PHEV watchdog app, very useful, although sometimes I'd rather not be seeing the rate the State of Health is going down.
I don't think it supports the 4th gen though, so the charging energy measurement might be useful on the new one.
I think it may be viewable on the car info screen if you can find the right one.
Bear in mind the car shouldn't generally let the battery go below around 30% charge though, so you don't expect to see the full battery capacity going in on a charge, only 70%.

Yes PHEVwatchdog looks good but seems to be for older models. My 2019 works with it.
WD is showning %65 or 26Ah battery health. I'm at the bottom of the share data scatter plot for a 60K Outlander (https://phevwatchdog.net/).
I haven't done any driving with WD yet. I will try the D-easy BMU reset method after I've done a few trips as is.
I also signed and donated to
https://www.change.org/p/outlander-phev ... igned=true

[Dan2k]

on the MY22 outlander PHEV, Drive battery temperature management has changed from using cooled forced air to heat transfer cooling using refrigerant.
So it has a heat transfer jacket now rather than a fan inside the battery pack.