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Trying as hard as I can to get out my headlight bulbs (which are H7s).
I've read the manual, watched 4 YouTube videos, looked through several forums.
Just cannot budge them.
Does anyone have any clues or secrets?
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@antiscab - any clues?

I do know for my Honda motorcycle you need small, presumably Japanese hands, to access the bulb latch. My ham-fists are a bit too big for the task.
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Presumably if you have watched videos on it you know to turn the whole plug, carrier and globe. The style that they are are a pain to do, especially if they are tight. Sometimes if you put a rag over the plug you can apply more pressure without it digging into your fingers. Also constant sustained pressure with bursts works better than twisting hard and stopping (if that makes sense)
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I got them out in the end. I spent a couple of hours on the first one with rag wrapped around it and constant (huge) force & absolutely no movement. Also tried wiggling, rocking and flexing while twisting. In the end, I used a pair of multigrips (very carefully) onto the rag-wrapped holder and freed it so I could then twist.

I had exactly the same problem with the second one (driver's side) where there is less room to move. In the end, I gave in and used the multigrips again (being careful to have the wires out of the way and not squeeze too hard).

The little projector headlights on the Zoe are rather woeful but things are better now with 20,000 lumens projecting out........

.....wink....wink....nudge......nudge......

Beware polarity & check the plus and minus on the headlight plug with a multimeter if you are putting back anything other than H7 halogens/xenons.....the Zoe plug is not marked with polarity.
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Total cost of replacing lamps, clips (UK) and rear rubber covers (China) $93.15

PM me if you want any details.
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I must have been lucky when I replaced mine, they just cooperated when I did it with pliers in the Repco car park

Doggy - were yours corroded in any way?
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No corrosion. If you had to use pliers then probably much the same as mine. I have strong (but big) hands and it actually felt like I could break the fittings as I was twisting as hard as I can. But with the multigrips it didn't feel as if I was twisting as hard. I think the lugs on the lamp assembly were somehow catching on the socket. Anyway, the new improved items I have installed come out and in much more easily. Though I did have to massage the clips which are a very tight fit into the new lamp assemblies.

I was particularly pleased that the new rubber covers fitted perfectly.

I'll hang onto the replaced lamps, clips and rear covers in case I ever need them (doubtful). Covers are from Koomtoom on Amazon (China). $20 for two.
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Hi Dave,
Are these bulbs H7 LEDs?
I was half tempted to try them but but some of the online reviews/comments put me off. Some commentators alluded to difficulty in focusing them and the cut off (low beam) not being sharply defined. Certainly look very bright. Reminds me of another era when I had whoppingly powerful driving lights fitted to a Volvo we used to drive to the snowy for skiing holidays. That is: until I got fined for inadvertently driving through Cooma with them still on.

Good to see you on the https://community.mynrma.com.au/ forum. Things are a little sparse and controlled there. I got caned by the moderator(s) for giving too much information on service organizations etc. It seems to be more of a feel-good meeting place. Still... it might help spread the EV word?
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Hi Lou,
Yes, I was surprised to see the activity on that forum.
I (and another Zoe owner) lobbied NRMA very hard when they started to put in type 2 chargers as well and got the brush off.
I put in a post just now saying they should do like Qld and add a type 2 at each DC site as a backup and for cars like Zoe.
Maybe that will get pulled? As a member of 68yrs I would hope not.
Still they are doing some good EV stuff.
Have PMd you on other stuff.
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Here are some photos.
First two are high & low beam on a dark street. Note the back reflection from the sign on high beam!
Other one shows the sharp cutoffs on low beam (sorry, shining onto trailer, boat and wall. But the lines are sharp and clear.
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That is impressive! Normally, driving at night in a Zoe, you can barely make out the road.

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I note that the Renault Zoe Vehicle User Manual states:

"Bulb type: H7.
It is essential to use anti U.V. 55W bulbs so as not to damage the plastic on the headlights."

I presume it means that some bulbs could emit sufficient U.V. to affect the polycarbonate lens.
Some manufacturers make a point by saying things like:

"Calibre H7 12V 55W
Manufactured from UV Cut glass enabling use in both glass and polycarbonate lenses to suit a huge range of vehicles"

How to tell if original or replacement globes for Zoe are anti U.V. rated?

And does it actually make any difference if the car is flooded in U.V. anyhow, by being out in the sun a lot?

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I believe that LEDs will produce a tiny amount of uV but even some of that is absorbed by the phosphor. I think the amount radiated is tiny compared with incandescent bulbs (such as halogens) which produce quite a broad spectrum whereas LEDs have a very tight spectrum.

Good point about the sun! I suspect it is worse than LEDs by a long shot
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Interesting- quite pricey for halogens.

I would be careful with any replacements. Some LED bulbs are not suitable because the focal point with a projector headlamp is critical. Not so much for a reflector. Zoe is projector. If it is not perfect you end up with out of focus or worse.

So, I chose one that the Zoe Owners' club had verified works properly in a number of Zoes..

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Please only buy Supercheap globes if you enjoy replacing globes. Go for a name brand like Phillips or GE (although the word on the grapevine is that Phillips have changed their manufacturing plant and dropped quality in the process, however that news came from a competitor...)
LouB wrote: Tue, 04 Oct 2022, 07:38 I note that the Renault Zoe Vehicle User Manual states:

"Bulb type: H7.
It is essential to use anti U.V. 55W bulbs so as not to damage the plastic on the headlights."

I presume it means that some bulbs could emit sufficient U.V. to affect the polycarbonate lens.
Some manufacturers make a point by saying things like:

"Calibre H7 12V 55W
Manufactured from UV Cut glass enabling use in both glass and polycarbonate lenses to suit a huge range of vehicles"

How to tell if original or replacement globes for Zoe are anti U.V. rated?

And does it actually make any difference if the car is flooded in U.V. anyhow, by being out in the sun a lot?

Cheers
Lou
In terms of the UV cut glass globes you'd have to try to find a globe that doesn't have that feature. And yes, most light assemblies are damaged from the suns UV, that's why they get faded and yellow (though at least on the outside you can restore them with a cheap kit)
A big part of that warning would actually be the 55W bit. Common practise in the past was to fit 100W+ globes to get more light but the brighter globes just destroy light assemblies and wiring. You can now buy brighter globes of the same wattage. They are normally called +80% or +130% (or similar) and they are good but are more expensive and I've found they have a shorter lifespan.
doggy wrote: Fri, 07 Oct 2022, 14:40 Interesting- quite pricey for halogens.
It's about the going rate for the H7 format but high considering the quality.
doggy wrote: Fri, 07 Oct 2022, 14:40 I would be careful with any replacements. Some LED bulbs are not suitable because the focal point with a projector headlamp is critical. Not so much for a reflector. Zoe is projector. If it is not perfect you end up with out of focus or worse.
This is a common problem with all light assemblies, especially with older LED replacements as the LED strip is bigger than a filament so even if the LEDs were in the right location and bright enough, half of the LEDs would be off the focal point for the reflector/lens.
The corn cob style LED lights were always terrible. If you look at the "globes" you'd be blinded but fit them into a light assembly and it's like driving by glow worm.

JW speaker make 2 different styles that I've found are both good. The older style were adjustable so if the LEDs weren't on the focal point you could adjust them but they also make direct replacements that seem to be on the focal point and don't have big heat sinks on the back to worry about either, added bonus is they have ones designed specifically for projector and non projector lights as well as some vehicle specific ones that are designed to be on point
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The ones recommended by the UK Zoe Owners' Association work well and have been installed in dozens of Zoes.

Excellent beam shape, sharp edges, crisp focus, 3+ times the lumens.

I can supply links if people PM me.

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Can we please share here?

I almost feel I should mail order some just in case !
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Hi Tom,

I have PM'd you.

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