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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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vanzelstt wrote: Sat, 16 May 2020, 18:01 Just installed my 2 x PIP-5048MK in parallel. seem to be working great. They are running Firmware 71.90. Don't know if that means that the for-mentioned issues have been addressed? Can connect via bluetooth but not via serial?. using the same USB to serial as my old 4048. i get an ack when using Tera term so thinking that it might be Watchpower 1.13SP3?
I have the same issue with my PIP-5048MK. I cannot get Watchpower 1.13SP3 to see the inverter (via serial port on PC). But the phone app (using Bluetooth) works fine. VERY frustrating.
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Perhaps the latest version (V1. 13SP7) will fix it; I recall someone else having that problem and the latest Watchpower fixed it.
You can always get the latest version from:
http://www.mppsolar.com/manual/Watchpower%20(off-grid)/
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Im also having issues with charging from generator. I know that these units seem to need a very clean supply to charge but then why do they advertise them as "OFF GRID"..
Are there any settings/adjustments/firmware to make them less touchy to the utility input supply? my old 4048 never had an issue...
TIA.
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coulomb wrote: Fri, 12 Jun 2020, 07:16 Perhaps the latest version (V1. 13SP7) will fix it; I recall someone else having that problem and the latest Watchpower fixed it.
You can always get the latest version from:
http://www.mppsolar.com/manual/Watchpower%20(off-grid)/
Thanks I will give that a go.
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vanzelstt wrote: Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 19:42 I know that these units seem to need a very clean supply to charge but then why do they advertise them as "OFF GRID"..
I guess you're meant to use them with the more expensive generators that feature either an inverter (in the generator, "inverter based"), or a Digital Voltage Regulator (DVR).
Are there any settings/adjustments/firmware to make them less touchy to the utility input supply? my old 4048 never had an issue...
Just the one, setting 03 (AC input voltage range), it should be APL (the default) for the widest (most tolerant) voltage range. [ Edit: Oops! Except that the King doesn't have that setting, as below. Sigh. ]
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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unfortunately the MK does not seem to have the Setting 03...
it jumps from 02 to 05...
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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You could try setting Menu 10 (Operational Logic) to Online rather than Auto.
I may be less fussy about frequency - as the manual seems to imply.....
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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Dear all, Im sucessfully using 3 PIP5048MK connected in parallel in one same 230V AC phase,
I have fixed the dynamic switching on, and switching off during night, so
Normally 3 MK in parallel consume approx 210W from battery during all the day and nights.
The GPIO in ICC may cut off according the real conditions the one of three or two of three inverters.
Im synchronizing one when sunrise occur, and both working during the day.
my plant now consist of 3 MK 5kVA, 14,2 kWp solar pannels, Lead acid batteries 625 Ah at 48V from forklift.

the logic can be made externally as Im using, seems it simply works.

one remark, during night is working only one of three inverters(consumption from battery approx 70W). If system requires ( cooking, baking, ironing, hoovering etc together ) and P is more than 4500W at least 20seconds, then starting syncing of the second inverter. black start takes about 10second to synchronize.
if someone is too crazy, at 8kW starting the third one. - I have once tried if works then never starts the third from it during night.

all is driven by external NO relays contact.

if someone would need more info let me know.

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vitecekmatrka wrote: Wed, 08 Jul 2020, 15:03 Im sucessfully using 3 PIP5048MK connected in parallel in one same 230V AC phase,
I have fixed the dynamic switching on, and switching off during night,
Neat!
all is driven by external NO relays contact.
So what do the relay contacts connect to? The power-on switch doesn't seem as accessible in the MK/King models.
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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Dear coulomb, want you to know true?
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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XtractorFan wrote: Sun, 04 Aug 2019, 04:12
suorama wrote: Tue, 30 Jul 2019, 01:11 Well,
I made the decision, I build my own system to monitor of my "power plant"...
I do not use controllers own software and hardware to read values. Then I can use what ever I want, to feed power to the system or drain power from the system.
That project maybe last long, but when it is "ready" (if ever), I will introduce it =D.
Have you looked at SolPipLog? https://www.photovoltaikforum.com/threa ... ?pageNo=52 and https://github.com/njfaria/SolPipLog
I've been working with Nuno to get it to work with my MK, the latest version 2.2.5 makes mine work - most of the time....
Logs data to emoncms on the same RasPi and I can make it charge during the day and run on batteries at night using the time switching.
He's been very helpful :D
Hi guys, I recently bought an inverter
EASUN POWER 5000W ISolar SMK 5KW
that I think is a clone or rebranded
of the MPP Solar PIP 5048MK V3
Can you tell me which is the latest firmware for this inverter?
Very nice this program runs on raspberry is compatible with my inverter?
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saviothecnic wrote: Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 19:24 I recently bought an inverter
EASUN POWER 5000W ISolar SMK 5KW
that I think is a clone or rebranded
of the MPP Solar PIP 5048MK V3
I've not heard of a PIP-5048MK V3. Can you provide a link?

I can't decide if the EASUNs are genuine or clones. I'm leaning towards genuine.
Can you tell me which is the latest firmware for this inverter?
If it's a genuine PIP-5048MK, the latest firmware is versions that I know of are 71.92 main and 02.49 MCU/display/BMS (they must go together). But the latest readily available can be found by the links in the index of this topic. If it's a clone, then who knows what firmware it uses or needs.

What main firmware do you have now?

Do you need the latest lithium BMS support?

The latest versions support more than just Pylontech; do you need this?
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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here is the link https://www.mppsolar.com/v3/pip-mk-series/

Yes friends, you are right I have bought for less than a month
To replace an inverter that broke in a hurry
I'm not an expert and I didn't know this was a clone
otherwise I would have bought the original mppsolar directly

If I connect the USB cable from the inverter to the PC I cannot use WatchPower or similar programs from unknown USB
It works only via serial COM connection
I wanted to understand if the last FW solved this problem

For now I have lead batteries but I'm building a wall
of 18650 batteries can you recommend a BMS that can
talk to inverter Thanks
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saviothecnic wrote: Tue, 14 Jul 2020, 14:35 here is the link https://www.mppsolar.com/v3/pip-mk-series/
Ah. The "v3" in the URL refers to version 3 of the web page, not the inverter.
I'm not an expert and I didn't know this was a clone
I still think that there is a good chance it is genuine.
If I connect the USB cable from the inverter to the PC I cannot use WatchPower or similar programs from unknown USB
It works only via serial COM connection
I wanted to understand if the last FW solved this problem
Your firmware is quite recent. I suspect that most of the development recently has been concerned with talking to various BMS. So I very much doubt that the latest firmware will solve that problem.
can you recommend a BMS that can talk to inverter Thanks
The latest firmware can talk to various BMS, but I'd guess that they are all integrated into battery/BMS packages. So your best bet will be to find a BMS for DIY that will emulate the protocol of a known battery brand that Voltronic supports. This page mentions Pylontech, Weco, Soltaro, and Bak; there may be two more at least. The Pylontech protocol (RS-485 and CAN) is at least documented, even if confusing to someone like myself.
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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Good evening,

I have some trouble, hope you can help me.

Two weeks ago I installed my 2 EASUN SM5KV which seems to be genuine. It is a 64V version with Firmware 72.40 and 04.12. I have 3 Pylontech batteries connected now.

After some problems with overvoltage that seems to be fine now, but whatever I do, it switch back to grid at 49.9V when no solar is present. That means a capacity of 40,9 AH or 81% per batterie.

Can anybody help me please? I checked the Voltage with Batterywatch, Solaranzeige (a german Software) and also on each inverter. All the same.

I hope you can help me.

Thanks very much
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MarkusRE wrote: Sat, 18 Jul 2020, 04:29 Two weeks ago I installed my 2 EASUN SM5KV which seems to be genuine. It is a 64V version with Firmware 72.40 and 04.12.
Ah. Then it's a 64 V PIP-MS equivalent. I'll answer this in the PIP-5048MS topic here.
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coulomb wrote: Sat, 18 Jul 2020, 11:10
MarkusRE wrote: Sat, 18 Jul 2020, 04:29 Two weeks ago I installed my 2 EASUN SM5KV which seems to be genuine. It is a 64V version with Firmware 72.40 and 04.12.
Ah. Then it's a 64 V PIP-MS equivalent. I'll answer this in the PIP-5048MS topic here.
Don't think so, the Easun website has little info, but AlliExpress has this:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3301619 ... 2675cl538B
So it's definitely an MK - not a bad price either.
Looks like all they've changed is the graphic on the front of the unit.....
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Have you tried contacting Easun asking about firmware?
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XtractorFan wrote: Sat, 18 Jul 2020, 17:49 Don't think so, the Easun website has little info, but AlliExpress has this:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3301619 ... 2675cl538B
So it's definitely an MK - not a bad price either.
But the Ali Express page mentions an SMK 3KW/5KW model; MarcusRE mentions an SM5KV (the K here likely means kilo). I'd say EASun rebrand all the Voltronic Power models.
@MarkusRE: does yours look like the one in AliExpress?

If it's really a PIP-MK/Axpert King, there would be 4 firmware version numbers (presumably with only three displaying at night or with PV not connected).
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True, we need more input from @@MarkusRE
Almost tempted to buy a 'spare' though... ;)
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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Good morning,

it is not the one like from Aliexpress. It is a ISOLAR SM 5 KW. I posted the specs in an older post. I will send some photos later on, when being at a computer. It has a small display on Top and also this sticker on the right side.

The reason I lowered the values for 26 and 27 is, that I got a Voltage above 54V and the inverter dropped AC Output and come back a few secondes later. It was just a small peak but enough to shutdown.
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It is a ISOLAR SM 5 KW
So it's this one: http://www.easunpower.com/Products/Off- ... er/88.html
Not an MK then....
Did you get any help from Easun?

[ Moderator edit: MarcusRE's reply moved to the PIP-5048MS topic. ]
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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vanzelstt wrote: Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 16:27 unfortunately the MK does not seem to have the Setting 03...
it jumps from 02 to 05...
This is no longer the case (certainly in firmware >= 71.92, maybe earlier). While the LCD still does not support setting 3 (even in latest firmware 2.49), Appliance mode can be set in WatchPower or using the PGR00 (for appliance) or PGR01 (for UPS) command. QPIRI also returns the setting in field 16.
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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I also bought from Aliexpress are in Italy and was shipped from Germany paid on 650 € + 80 € for the WiFi card
https://www.aliexpress.com

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3301619 ... 4c4dEFyQf0

The model I have chosen to transfer 0
Excellent for those with servers and many computers in the home
And side Panels slari works at low voltage maximum 145V

So dear friends, none of you know how to recommend a BMS
which has communication compatible with this inverter?

I would also like to monitor and manage this inverter
with a soft connected to a PC or RaspBerry what do you recommend?
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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coulomb wrote: Tue, 14 Jul 2020, 17:06 The latest firmware can talk to various BMS, but I'd guess that they are all integrated into battery/BMS packages. So your best bet will be to find a BMS for DIY that will emulate the protocol of a known battery brand that Voltronic supports. This page mentions Pylontech, Weco, Soltaro, and Bak; there may be two more at least. The Pylontech protocol (RS-485 and CAN) is at least documented, even if confusing to someone like myself.
And I was hoping that some of you had found a BMS for sale that has the same communication as that present in compatible battery packs.
I would fear being able to manage my 18650 wall with a BMS
who speaks with inverters without being forced to buy other battery banks just to be able to talk to inverters
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Re: PIP-5048MK inverter

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vitecekmatrka wrote: Wed, 08 Jul 2020, 20:01 Dear coulomb, want you to know true?
Dear colleagues.

the dynamic switching on and off is on my 15kW site done as externally ( thru ICC and GPIO outputs controlled relays ) which is based on:

1) night - run only one inverter
if output is higher than 4 kW, switched on is second inverter, synchronize and works,
if output is higher than 8 kW, switched on is a third one inverter, synchronize, and work together all three inverters,
after load is over automatically sleep again third one, after 8 kW is gone, and after 4 kW load is gone desynchronize again second one and continuing only 1 inverter
2) day - at 500 W PV watts automatically synchronize second one, working all day 2 inverters in parallel, but all of them charging batteries
if load is higher than 8 kW, automatically syncing third one, going to sleep after 8 kW load is gone.
the second one is going to sleep if PV power is lower than 300 W on PV

that´s the basis.

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Gpio and 4 relay module controls 2 inverters by 2 parallel relays
Gpio and 4 relay module controls 2 inverters by 2 parallel relays
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To externally connect need lan cable and socket to be placed and cut of brown cable is needed
To externally connect need lan cable and socket to be placed and cut of brown cable is needed
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Inverter with external control implemented
Inverter with external control implemented
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