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I thought the day would never come when Mazda announces an electric vehicle. But that day has come. So I've created this Mazda production EV forum.

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https://electrek.co/2019/10/23/mazda-un ... next-year/

https://www.caradvice.com.au/802112/202 ... ctric-suv/

There will also be a rotary engine powered hybrid:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... 550035abbe

They're saying that the MX-30 is expected to go on sale in Australia in 2021.

[ Edit: added "electric" to the title, since it seems all Mazdas will come in hybrid, PHEV hybrid, and electric in future. ]
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Yes, that's good news. It has been three years since Mazda's Dinosaur Declaration.
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It might yet be another three years till we see a legit post in this thread :lol: They really are one of the last.
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The Mazda RX sports line with an electric turbo and hybrid drive to give it that outstanding launch off the mark the Tesla has, but not the weight, regenerative braking and long range per fuel and battery refill, could be the ultimate Bathurst 12 hr and 24 hr race machine.
The electric turbo doesn't require under sizing for a quick spin up, so it doesn't need work as hard so the early turbo failures that plagued racing rotaries in the past will no longer be an issue. The rotary is only fuel inefficient at part load, that can be eliminated by using it as a generator power plant as well as providing propulsion when needed via a similar planetary drive as the Prius uses now.
Maybe even a heavy vehicle hybrid powerplant, multiple quad rotor engines driving 200kW generators, only fired up as required. Far lighter than the monster cast iron diesel engines used now and could be distributed along the truck/trailer combination as required .... could be a whole different ball game in the near future, they will run on many different fuels as well ....

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https://www.caradvice.com.au/811371/maz ... -5-report/

Well it's not like it hasn't been done a few times before :roll:
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So does anyone know what happened to the ‘breakthrough’ combined SI/CI engine development?
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Apparently this will be released in Australia next year.
Not the greatest range, but priced accordingly - small range means low cost. Maybe $43k drive away?
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Nagaman wrote: Thu, 28 May 2020, 10:47 So does anyone know what happened to the ‘breakthrough’ combined SI/CI engine development?
https://www.caradvice.com.au/869255/202 ... id-review/

Not amazing in terms of economy even with mild hybrid and they didn't get anywhere near claimed economy 6.8 vs 5.5

As for the cost of the mx-30 I would say it wont be cheaper than an Ioniq/Leaf. That 3 above is $41k. Battery size is still 35.5, its just got terrible efficiency to get such low range.
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sleeperpservice wrote: Sat, 12 Dec 2020, 11:41
Nagaman wrote: Thu, 28 May 2020, 10:47 So does anyone know what happened to the ‘breakthrough’ combined SI/CI engine development?
https://www.caradvice.com.au/869255/202 ... id-review/

Not amazing in terms of economy even with mild hybrid and they didn't get anywhere near claimed economy 6.8 vs 5.5

As for the cost of the mx-30 I would say it wont be cheaper than an Ioniq/Leaf. That 3 above is $41k. Battery size is still 35.5, its just got terrible efficiency to get such low range.
I can’t see many surviving against Chinese competition in the longer run in any case .
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sleeperpservice wrote: Sat, 12 Dec 2020, 11:41
Nagaman wrote: Thu, 28 May 2020, 10:47 So does anyone know what happened to the ‘breakthrough’ combined SI/CI engine development?
https://www.caradvice.com.au/869255/202 ... id-review/

Not amazing in terms of economy even with mild hybrid and they didn't get anywhere near claimed economy 6.8 vs 5.5

As for the cost of the mx-30 I would say it wont be cheaper than an Ioniq/Leaf. That 3 above is $41k. Battery size is still 35.5, its just got terrible efficiency to get such low range.
My 5 year old Golf does 5.1 in a drive across town. There was daylight between it and the Japanese when I bought it, and it doesn't look like they have closed the gap in five years. Seeing as they can't get their ICE tech up to the mark they'd be better off changing to full electric and sending all their development that way, IMHO.
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We won’t see many of those on the road… Why would you buy it?
And the 39kW Kona is coming. 305km WLTP, faster DC charging and probably much cheaper.
Why would you buy the MX-30? At $55k maybe. Anything above and the Ionic, the MG, the 39kW Kona, hell even the Leaf is a better choice.
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Cos it drives like a Mazda. It’s Mazda’s i3

Just like why buy a mini cooper se? Cos it drives like a mini.

Why buy a Honda e? Cos it has a crazy turning circle, has wing cameras and is cute. $80-85k due to compliancing.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/953713/hon ... -importer/

Why buy an mg? Cos it’s cheap.
Why buy a Kia niro ev? Cos it’s bigger than a Kona
Why buy a Lexus ux-300e? Cos it’s a lexus.
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Yes I know what you mean. As an engineer buying cars from an Excel spreadsheet I struggle to understand why you would buy the second best car for the job. And I do mean for the job. I love my Kona, but if you need a big boot, it’s not the right car.

But if you’re just buying a Mazda because it drives like a Mazda, it’s time to break the family tradition. And when buying second hand, all that goes out the window. My second car was a Lada Niva. No comment needed. But someone had to buy that Chrysler PT Cruiser, that Jeep Compass or that Ssangyong new at some point. Why?

To conclude, your last 3 why, I get it. The Mazda, Mini or Honda e (unless you are useless at 3 point turns), I don’t. If anyone has money to waste, donate to “Oxfam” or “The Conversation”, and buy a more logical car. And it’s not about the amount but the value. The Kona Highlander is far from cheap, but it is very good value for money/range.
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Agreed. Kona and Ioniq are great value.

The 2 piece indicator stalks have put me off all Hyundais.
Ioniq 5 will change that.
Even Kia Niro EV has 2 piece stalk that has put me off.

The brake calibration on the Kona also don’t gel with me; similar to the Volt.
Will be interesting to try the MX-30’s brakes.

Lower priced Kona will be great for fleets.

MX-30 / i3 / FJ Cruiser / RX-8 coach doors prolly not practical for school dropoffs.

Being an efficiency nut I went with SR+, Ioniq would be 2nd. Un/Surprisingly mini is more efficient than CFRP i3; have yet to test drive one; didn’t due to the dead cow upholstery in first gen mini, now there is vegan option for entry level mini.
Have ordered the Aptera though.
LIghtyear One also tempting but its footprint is huge, like a landcruiser / Model S.

Ioniq has lower voltage battery pack and hence lower DC charging past 70%
https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/dc-c ... eed.35993/

EQA will be great for merc heads.
Was tempted to go Kona Refresh, but no 11kW 3 phase AC; best wait for ioniq 5.
EQA and now EQC have 11kW AC

LEAF 2.0 and ZS EV only have rake, no reach on steering wheel.
And Aussie LEAF has foot park brake.
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g4qber wrote: Fri, 25 Jun 2021, 06:47 ...Have ordered the Aptera though...
Hey @g4qber, how did you order an Aptera? Are they delivering to Oz?
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@rhills just went to their website.
https://www.aptera.us/
They haven’t said no to my order.
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Well it looks like we all think mostly alike.
One note on the 7.4kW vs 11kW charging, the Ionic being a lot more efficient than the EQC, the charge rate in km/h is actually only 40 vs 43 respectively. And as the Kona (and possibly the Ionic) is one of the closest car to it’s WLTP rating, I suspect that it is even closer if not in favour of the Ionic/Kona. With my average consumption of 12.3kWh/100km, my 7.4kW AC charge is very close to 50km/h. Remarquable.
So the solution, the Aptera. I am also in the first wave of pre-orders for the mid-size battery offering close to 1000km range, and for having spoken with Aptera on the phone, yes Australia is definitely on their radar, but it won’t be easy. Australia has stupide rules about 3 wheelers and composite cars. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but full composite body cars are currently only allowed as a special vehicle like kit cars sold at very volume only.
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EVdownUnder wrote: Sat, 26 Jun 2021, 09:16 Australia has stupide rules about 3 wheelers and composite cars. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but full composite body cars are currently only allowed as a special vehicle like kit cars sold at very volume only.
But things are changing fast. Let’s dream.
I was under the impression that 3-wheelers were treated as motor cycles
Post for instance had to use on riders with open class motor bike licences to operate a 3-wheeled delivery vehicle that tops out at 45kmh
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