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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by AndreaIta » Tue, 30 Apr 2019, 20:06

Hi all, I would path my inverter to fix charger bug.
To be sure, i ask you if i can and wich firmware version i must install.
My firmware version is 72.40 - 1.24

Thnk u very much

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Post by weber » Wed, 01 May 2019, 04:34

AndreaIta wrote:
Tue, 30 Apr 2019, 20:06
Hi all, I would path my inverter to fix charger bug.
To be sure, i ask you if i can and wich firmware version i must install.
My firmware version is 72.40 - 1.24

Thnk u very much
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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by AndreaIta » Thu, 02 May 2019, 00:45

I have AGM battery, i must download this version (dsp_LC1_73.00e) ?

[ Coulomb: yes. ]

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Post by rinaldoparaipan » Mon, 06 May 2019, 01:47

@coulomb , thank you for your links in order to upgrade the 73.00 to 73.00c version.
I had a stupid Error 90 at three inverters, and I solved the problem.

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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by slickyboy » Wed, 08 May 2019, 04:57

Hi,

i have a pip5049MS pf1 with the 64v Charging Option and a Pylontech us2000b.
Which version can i use? Havent found the option for LiFePo4.

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Post by coulomb » Wed, 08 May 2019, 07:16

slickyboy wrote:
Wed, 08 May 2019, 04:57
i have a pip5049MS pf1 with the 64v Charging Option and a Pylontech us2000b.
Presumably, that should read PIP-5048MS (64V).
Which version can i use? Havent found the option for LiFePo4.
The correct version for you is the LFP flavour of patched firmware version 72.20e, i.e. the file to download is dsp_LF1_72.20e pf1 64V.zip .

All patched firmwares with the exception of version 75.31a are available in both LFP and non-LFP (LC) flavours. I've tried to make that clearer in the topic index (first post) now. You just pick the file with LF1 in the name if you want the LFP version, and the one with LC1 in the name otherwise.
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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by vlan_one » Mon, 20 May 2019, 21:57

Hi,

I have successfully updated an Axpert MKS 5KVA Pf1 variant with some input from Coulomb.

The inverter is branded Voltex, a South African Electrical distributor.

Model Name: VOLTEX MKS 5KVA
Colour: Silver and Black
Rated Power: 5000VA/5000W
It seems to have the 64V option installed as I could set the voltage to 64V
It has the 145VDC MPPT SCC.
It was running FW 72.20 and I updated it to 72.20e.

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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by davirus » Tue, 21 May 2019, 12:10

weber wrote:
Wed, 07 Nov 2018, 06:27
Rick54 wrote:
Tue, 06 Nov 2018, 21:56
I tried the new menu and it's very good. I noticed that there is 3 options now in the menu 4 "Power Saving" : Sds / SEn and "nor" : after the update my inverter was on nor and i changed it back to Sds(was the setting prior update). What is "nor" used for ? I didn't see it in the Manual or in the AussieView manual.
I will take you a picture if needed.
Thanks for pointing that out. I have just uploaded a new version of the AussieView manual to correct that oversight, with the following:

SAv [04] nor    Power saving mode  Normal (AC on, DC-DC on, 50 W no load)
         SdS                       Saving disabled (AC on, DC-DC 33% when low load, 46 W no load)
         SEn    (when PAr = SnG)   Saving enabled (AC off when low load, 2 W no load)

"nor" is present in the unpatched (i.e. manufacturer's) 73.00 firmware, but is not mentioned in the manufacturer's manual. The above information is based on painstaking investigation by Coulomb. Neither Coulomb nor I can see any point in having the "nor" option, except that maybe turning on a very heavy load might make the AC voltage sag less, and hence lights flicker less. We haven't tested this.


it has very important point , when running in off-grid , if during winter time you have low solar power , the internal power consumption is higher than charging rate , in my case seems that 50W is too low for stopping the inverter to avoid discharging the batteries , it destroyed my batteries by discharing them , this setting should be set to a minimum 100W to overcome the internal consumption of the inverter , i need help doing that , i`ve search all over the net , i`ve tried all 3 options of parameter 4 , and now , i`ve written an email to support@mppsolar.com , i hove someone will reply.

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Post by CrAzY_DrIveR » Thu, 23 May 2019, 02:52

I don't have a battery yet and 27.3v from my psu is no good to power the beast so i used my 20y old nicd from my car.
Updated to 72.20e thank you guys for all the wonderful work you did.
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Post by weber » Thu, 23 May 2019, 09:51

Thanks @rinaldoparaipan, @vlan_one and @CrAzY_DrIveR. Coulomb and I love to hear when our work has been helpful. :)

vlan_one, I have added "Voltex MKS 5KVA" to the list of known model names on the index page. Thanks.

CrAzY_DrIveR, that's an interesting looking battery. But please wrap those spanners in some electrical tape, and please don't leave them lying on top of the battery. :o What kind of car is the battery from?
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Post by CrAzY_DrIveR » Thu, 23 May 2019, 17:21

peugeot 106, same as all first gen psa (peugeot citroen)
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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by weber » Thu, 23 May 2019, 18:03

davirus wrote:
Tue, 21 May 2019, 12:10
it has very important point , when running in off-grid , if during winter time you have low solar power , the internal power consumption is higher than charging rate , in my case seems that 50W is too low for stopping the inverter to avoid discharging the batteries , it destroyed my batteries by discharing them , this setting should be set to a minimum 100W to overcome the internal consumption of the inverter , i need help doing that , i`ve search all over the net , i`ve tried all 3 options of parameter 4 , and now , i`ve written an email to support@mppsolar.com , i hove someone will reply.
Hi @davirus, I'm afraid you may have misunderstood the purpose of the power saving setting, and hence misunderstood the meaning of the power numbers in our abbreviated description of it.

SAv [04] nor    Power saving mode  Normal (AC on, DC-DC on, 50 W no load)
         SdS                       Saving disabled (AC on, DC-DC 33% when low load, 46 W no load)
         SEn    (when PAr = SnG)   Saving enabled (AC off when low load, 2 W no load)

Those numbers have nothing to do with the charge rate. They are the internal consumption of the inverter. The "nor" setting is the worst setting you could have used, as it is the one that makes the inverter have the highest internal consumption. If you don't have enough solar charging during the day, to overcome the self-consumption at night, even with power saving enabled (Sen), then there is nothing that we, or the the manufacturer, can do about it, by changing the firmware. Sorry.
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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by vulcanescu35 » Tue, 28 May 2019, 01:36

Hi guys,

I have 2 pip 4048 MSD inverters which are working as parallel, and from 2 days I have a strange behavior, when commute from bateries to line (bypass) it has a kind of loop and a I have short interruption of energy and it is stay on this state for couple of minutes until enter on bypass mode. As I see it don't detect line even if is showing line and I can see voltage on display (220v).On the events I don't see any fault log, maybe communication lost/restore

After reboot with bateries cutting off and line, and boot again it will commute on bypass... But I didn't find a procedure wich work everytime.

I will tray to configure again as stand alone to see if it is working not in parallel mode.

Can u help me please with any advice?

Regards .

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Post by coulomb » Tue, 28 May 2019, 05:29

@ vulcanescu35,

Do you perhaps have the same problem as described in this post on the PowerForum?

https://powerforum.co.za/topic/3675-axp ... ment=55056

Edit: or maybe you're the same person.
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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by ned-kelly » Wed, 29 May 2019, 12:01

Hi Guys, For anyone using Home Assistant (For their home automation) or thinking of using Home Assistant in the future (It totally rocks by the way)....

I've made a Docker based solution that can be run on a lightweight & cheap SBC (Such as an Orange or Raspberry PI) allowing you to interface with them finally with ease (the bundled Java app they give you “Watchpower” is a pile of S$$T and unreliable at the best of times)…

It works by both pull monitoring data (Via the RS232 or USB port on the Inverter) and sending to Home Assistant via MQTT, as well as actually programatically receiving commands (again via MQTT) to change the configuration of the Inverter on the fly - Depending on various automations you might setup (such as ‘only charge batteries off solar during the day’, then ‘charge batteries off the grid’ at night time after midnight when the price of power is cheaper if it's going to rain tomorrow/rest of week) etc…

Here’s the links for anyone who might be interested:
Hopefully this makes someone else’s life a bit easier also :)

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Post by Greendrake » Sun, 09 Jun 2019, 20:19

Hello everybody! After a whole day of googling how to geek with my inverters I am pretty much excited to find this forum!

So, I happened to have bought a couple of clones with parallel kits installed (no branding at all, though sold as "Hybrid Inverter"):



They do have the solar charging bug mentioned earlier in this thread (reported power appears to be twice as much lower until you turn PV off and back on). They also do not accept AC input when in parallel mode (the AC input sign just flashes with no error code). When in single mode, the same AC input works just fine.

The firmware is 52.30. According to the decision tree it is tantamount to 72 "Else if the current firmware minor version is less than 40 then". However, I am not too sure that I have "5 kW (PF1) model with the 64 V option" as that entry says.

Can anyone please tell what firmware would suit in this case, if any? Unless there is certainty that I am going to brick them I feel brave to try updating one of the pair to see if it works :ugeek:

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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by coulomb » Sun, 09 Jun 2019, 21:02

Greendrake wrote:
Sun, 09 Jun 2019, 20:19
They do have the solar charging bug mentioned earlier in this thread (reported power appears to be twice as much lower until you turn PV off and back on). They also do not accept AC input when in parallel mode (the AC input sign just flashes with no error code). When in single mode, the same AC input works just fine.
Interesting. But those don't sound like bugs that later firmware can fix, since older PIPs did not behave like that.
The firmware is 52.30. According to the decision tree it is tantamount to 72 "Else if the current firmware minor version is less than 40 then". However, I am not too sure that I have "5 kW (PF1) model with the 64 V option" as that entry says.
You certainly do not have PF1, and not the 64 V option either. I could not imagine how you came to that conclusion, until I "executed" the decision tree with the parameter "52.30" myself. I see I had a bug in my logic :!: Fixed now. In short, you could try 72.70c or really you may as well go to 73.00e. You even have the luxury of reverting back to factory firmware version 52.30, if it doesn't work. But as above, I don't expect it to fix your main problems, unfortunately. They seem to be rooted in imperfect copies of the hardware.

It's also entirely possible that you can't update anything at all. You may have early versions of the clones that later came with patched firmware 72.70c (lead acid flavour), but could not update firmware because they don't have a bootstrap loader. Both of these clones have the "¢" (cent) symbol in place of the "Φ" (Greek letter Phi symbol), so I'm guessing that they may be from the same factory and therefore have similar limitations.

Edit: actually, updating the firmware (if that's even possible) might fix the AC input problem, since the early versions did have a lot of problems with generators (another AC-in source), and they are less picky in later firmware versions (but far from forgiving of many generators, especially generators that aren't inverter based).
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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by lopezjm2001 » Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 21:37

Today the SCC stopped working on my PIP4048MS. The remainder of the PIP still works. A couple of PCB mounted relays were fubar which dropped off the PCB. According to my data logging the PV value was at 3kw when it happened. Any idea WTF happened?
Anyhow I removed the remains of the SCC and cleaned up the PIP4048MS which still works just minus the function of PV charging.

UPDATE: I have asked support at mppSolar.com to supply me a new SCC board.
New SCC board costs US$100 with 4 week lead time to build the board as they are out of stock.

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Post by paulvk » Wed, 12 Jun 2019, 20:26

I always wondered about automotive relays at 50v or more I am running at less than max amps on my pips might have been good choice
I like the Esmart3 MPPT chargers they have a 60amp unit but its cheaper to buy two 40amp units and get 80amps they are also more efficient than the pip one
they also record total power and monthly power. They also play nice with the pips when working you could get a 40amp unit and split your panels between the pip and Esmart get you going till the pip unit arrives.

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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by Walde » Fri, 14 Jun 2019, 22:28

Hello everyone. Big problem i need help. :roll:

I have a problem with my EASUN Power "ISolar SM 5kw 48vdc" identical to PIP-5048MS (and unfortunately get no help from those)
(need a new motherboard) the posts are stubborn and do not work as a warranty case (error 09).
I have not had solar stoma for over 4 weeks now. It was just 60 days running. :cry:

Wanted at MPP Solar inquiries and where to buy a motherboard,
but they want to help me but only when the get a photo of the label of the inverter but the must be a MPP Solar (PIP-5048MS).

I just want to buy a motherboard!

And now I need your help.

Now I would need a photo of a sticker from a PIP-5048MS.

Can someone send me one by PM or here to send me. :roll:

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Post by Greendrake » Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 14:20

coulomb wrote:
Sun, 09 Jun 2019, 21:02
you could try 72.70c or really you may as well go to 73.00e.
Thank you! Will give it a shot soon and report back if it fixes the AC input problem when in parallel.

The other "bug" with MPPT charging that I mentioned turned out to be my omission: I split the PV input in parallel between the two (paralleled) inverters. Somehow I assumed that they will coordinate MPPT charging between themselves (like they do AC output) to draw maximum power from the solar panels. Not the case (I later noted that the parallel kit manual says "CAUTION: Each inverter should connect to PV modules separately"). The result is that the PV power drawn by two parallel inverters together is 1.5 times less than by sole inverter! (and the latter is still less than can potentially be drawn as it hits the SCC limit of 3kW).

I am therefore wondering if there is SCC firmware capable of coordinating parallel SCCs?

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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by paulvk » Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 19:24

Hello Greendrake
No you can not feed the two scc that way infact any charger that way they need their own sets of panels.

Walde I think error 09 is a software problem because its a Chinese copy of the inverter and you may need to load new software I seem to remember some one has done this search the posts.

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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by Walde » Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 19:39

paulvk wrote:
Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 19:24
Walde I think error 09 is a software problem because its a Chinese copy of the inverter and you may need to load new software I seem to remember some one has done this search the posts.
???????????????????????????????????

How do you know it's a clone?
I would tap on the boards on an original voltronic

Read: Trade Error 09 https://powerforum.co.za/topic/3655-pip ... rt-failed/

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Wanted at MPP Solar inquiries and where to buy a motherboard,
but they want to help me but only when the get a photo of the label of the inverter but the must be a MPP Solar (PIP-5048MS).

I just want to buy a motherboard!

And now I need your help.

Now I would need a photo of a sticker from a PIP-5048MS.

Can someone send me one by PM or here to send me. :roll:

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Post by paulvk » Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 19:58

Its a clone because its made in China my ones are made in Taiwan MPP Solar are in Taiwan .
Page 104 has a picture of the label

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Re: PIP-4048MS and PIP-5048MS inverters

Post by Walde » Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 20:11

paulvk wrote:
Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 19:24
Walde I think error 09 is a software problem because its a Chinese copy of the inverter and you may need to load new software I seem to remember some one has done this search the posts.
Which post do you mean? Have in the last few weeks the 100 pages certainly felt twice read.
Furthermore, I already had a broken TV on the board when the problem came 09

Serial is 929318041****5
as it is normal at voltronic or (last 6 are the serial number)

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