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brunohill wrote: Mon, 02 Aug 2021, 19:25 I do not understand why the car has to go to a blue drive dealership for this.
It does not. The service can be done anywhere that has a qualified technician. See my article here for an explanation: https://aeva.asn.au/articles/who-can-se ... -vehicles/

The updates are a different matter, that might require a visit to your Blue Drive dealer. In my case it is 220 km to the nearest Blue Drive dealer, but there is a regular dealer 30 km away. They have an arrangement that they can apply software updates through my local dealer. I've had this done once, and it seemed to go ok, although it took longer than they estimated because they had to do a heap of updates on their Tablet PC.
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brunohill wrote: Mon, 02 Aug 2021, 19:25 I do not understand why the car has to go to a blue drive dealership for this.
Maybe at a non Blue Drive dealership they'd find somewhere to stick the engine oil in, and charge you for the privilege :shock:

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coulomb wrote: Tue, 03 Aug 2021, 07:30
brunohill wrote: Mon, 02 Aug 2021, 19:25 I do not understand why the car has to go to a blue drive dealership for this.
Maybe at a non Blue Drive dealership they'd find somewhere to stick the oil in, and charge you for it :shock:
I guess there is a transmission oil change after 150,000km or so.
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Peter C in Canberra wrote: Tue, 03 Aug 2021, 07:34 I guess there is a transmission oil change after 150,000km or so.
Sure. I was reacting to the ICE-thinking that at every service, they get the assured income from changing engine oil, and every several years the bonus of a timing chain or radiator replacement.

I've edited my post to include the word "engine" before "oil".
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coulomb wrote: Tue, 03 Aug 2021, 08:01
Peter C in Canberra wrote: Tue, 03 Aug 2021, 07:34 I guess there is a transmission oil change after 150,000km or so.
Sure. I was reacting to the ICE-thinking that at every service, they get the assured income from changing engine oil, and every several years the bonus of a timing chain or radiator replacement.

I've edited my post to include the word "engine" before "oil".
Sorry, yes, I did understand your reaction to 'ICE-thinking'.
BTW A friend had his 30K Kona service a few days before I did. He was stung $150 for a genuine Hyundai cabin air filter. Forewarned, I ordered an after-market one on-line for less than $50 and fitted it myself just before my car went in for its service. I half expected a stern warning about the dangers of fitting non-genuine parts but it wasn't mentioned.
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Peter C in Canberra wrote: Tue, 03 Aug 2021, 07:34
coulomb wrote: Tue, 03 Aug 2021, 07:30
brunohill wrote: Mon, 02 Aug 2021, 19:25 I do not understand why the car has to go to a blue drive dealership for this.
Maybe at a non Blue Drive dealership they'd find somewhere to stick the oil in, and charge you for it :shock:
I guess there is a transmission oil change after 150,000km or so.
I think it's 120,000kms under "harsh conditions"

In any rate after seeing this video i'm sure my reduction box is toast. The dealer last service said it's normal for that loud milling noise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMlngPWEbQ4
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Just received a phone call from our Hyundai dealer to say that they have the replacement battery packs. They need the car for two days to do the replacement - we've booked it in for an early morning dropoff on Monday week, and pickup on the afternoon of the following day.
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reecho wrote: Wed, 04 Aug 2021, 08:46 ...i'm sure my reduction box is toast. The dealer last service said it's normal for that loud milling noise...
I don't have anything that could be described as a 'loud milling noise', so I think you could be right.
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NickJP wrote: Wed, 04 Aug 2021, 10:23Just received a phone call from our Hyundai dealer to say that they have the replacement battery packs. They need the car for two days to do the replacement - we've booked it in for an early morning dropoff on Monday week, and pickup on the afternoon of the following day.
Well, the Kona battery replacement took them a day and a half - we dropped the car off early yesterday morning and got a call just before lunchtime today to say the job was complete.

LG seem to be having a bad trot with batteries. Apart from the recall on the car batteries, there is also a recall on their PV house batteries - https://www.productsafety.gov.au/recall ... -batteries - ours was replaced earlier this year - its casing had actually started to bulge due to the damaged cells inside.
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Dumb question. I have not received a recall letter from Hyundai saying my Kona needs a battery replacement (mine is a 2020 model). Emailed the place I bought it from and they said if it is to be recalled I will get a letter (that was back in February). My question is: as my battery is apparently not a fire risk (unlike those being replaced) can I assume is it safe for me to charge to 100%? (which I don't usually do unless I have a long drive coming up. Have set max charge to 80% for regular charging.)

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Getagrip wrote: Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 15:45 Dumb question. I have not received a recall letter from Hyundai saying my Kona needs a battery replacement (mine is a 2020 model). Emailed the place I bought it from and they said if it is to be recalled I will get a letter (that was back in February). My question is: as my battery is apparently not a fire risk (unlike those being replaced) can I assume is it safe for me to charge to 100%? (which I don't usually do unless I have a long drive coming up. Have set max charge to 80% for regular charging.)
If you have not been contacted, your battery was not part of the particular batch from the particular factory. It only effected the earliest made in 2020 and before. You can charge to 100% before a long trip. Routine charging to 80% is still a good idea for battery longevity but not needed for safety in your case.
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Peter C in Canberra wrote: Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 16:39
Getagrip wrote: Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 15:45 Dumb question. I have not received a recall letter from Hyundai saying my Kona needs a battery replacement (mine is a 2020 model). Emailed the place I bought it from and they said if it is to be recalled I will get a letter (that was back in February). My question is: as my battery is apparently not a fire risk (unlike those being replaced) can I assume is it safe for me to charge to 100%? (which I don't usually do unless I have a long drive coming up. Have set max charge to 80% for regular charging.)
If you have not been contacted, your battery was not part of the particular batch from the particular factory. It only effected the earliest made in 2020 and before. You can charge to 100% before a long trip. Routine charging to 80% is still a good idea for battery longevity but not needed for safety in your case.
Ditto on Peter's comments. Good for the battery to keep it to 80% if not needing it, good to start off a long trip at 100% and charge to 80% at DC fast-chargers to minimise down-time.

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Hi,
I received my latest recall notice on Friday. Good that the 2 Blue dealers near me are in Brisvegas, or Newcastle! Both locked down.
I sent a message to Hyundai saying they could pick up the car in Lismore, then I will have it picked up in Sydney for my brother to use until
I can fly down & pick it up. Yet to hear back...
The car needs to go to Sydney anyway for new tyres. (Already purchased, & not able to be fitted!)

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I think there is a blue dealer in Southport if you want one a bit closer.
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Recall official now...https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-001592. Nothing on the Hyundai recalls page yet for me at least.
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I wonder if it will be extended given all Chevy Bolts will be recalled in the US due to LG battery problems

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/08/gm ... batteries/

Their are also 208 Ioniqs in Oz recalled as well

https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/recalls/rec-001706
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My Kona is at Morley Hyundai today for the battery recall inspection. I'm hoping I'll find out shortly whether I will need just a BMS update or if it has to be the entire battery pack that gets replace.
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mpfl wrote: Wed, 01 Sep 2021, 13:02 My Kona is at Morley Hyundai today for the battery recall inspection. I'm hoping I'll find out shortly whether I will need just a BMS update or if it has to be the entire battery pack that gets replace.
I thought that if we were on the list for replacement, we were getting a replacement. My guess is that the 'inspection' is checking individual cell voltages. If some are grossly out of balance it might indicate partial shorting of that cell and a much higher risk of a catastrophic failure. I can't think what else they could be 'inspecting' since determining whether any of the cells have folded tabs or whatever would require destructive disassembly.
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Peter C in Canberra wrote: Wed, 01 Sep 2021, 14:29 I thought that if we were on the list for replacement, we were getting a replacement.
No such luck! Just a software update, it seems. The two jobs listed on the job sheet are:

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mpfl wrote: Wed, 01 Sep 2021, 14:56
Peter C in Canberra wrote: Wed, 01 Sep 2021, 14:29 I thought that if we were on the list for replacement, we were getting a replacement.
No such luck! Just a software update, it seems. The two jobs listed on the job sheet are:

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I am booked in for the 'inspection' next Monday although the dealer and I agreed that my Kona was fully up to date with updates having been in for its 30K service only recently. They said (last Monday) that they did not yet know what was involved with the 'inspection' since they had only just been told about it that morning (I got my email late last Friday). Perhaps it is, as 'improved monitoring logic' implies, just a further update for this cohort of Konas to tide them over till the battery is actually replaced.
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Hi all - re the recall - wrote it up for TheDriven on Monday, including a clarification direct from head office re whether it was software only or full battery replacement. (Almost all of them ARE getting a new battery). More details at:

https://thedriven.io/2021/08/30/hyundai ... ry-issues/

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Bryce wrote: Thu, 02 Sep 2021, 11:32 Hi all - re the recall - wrote it up for TheDriven on Monday, including a clarification direct from head office re whether it was software only or full battery replacement. (Almost all of them ARE getting a new battery). More details at:

https://thedriven.io/2021/08/30/hyundai ... ry-issues/

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Thanks, Bryce. From your article "HMC confirmed that of the 615 Kona EVs involved, 511 will definitely need the battery replaced with the other 105 determined on a case-by-case basis after running the software check/update."
Did Hyundai say what might be different about the 105? Could it be that the 105 might have cells from a different factory? Could the 'inspection' simply be checking battery codes or readconfirming a number off the battery box? In my case I had my Kona in for its 30K service very recently so it is fully up to date with software.
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Peter C in Canberra wrote: Thu, 02 Sep 2021, 13:03 the other 105 determined on a case-by-case basis after running the software check/update
Right.

Well, I was told that I wouldn't need a new battery. I guess that puts me in the 105..? I'll start charging up to 100% before road trips again and if my Kona spontaneously combusts, I'll know I was not in the 105.
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I've just been checked and confirmed by Hyundai this morning that I need a new battery! Hyundai said that it should only take a few weeks to get a new battry to Melbourne.
As much as I understand that ecologically it is terrible (unless they do use them for something else or recycle them properly), it is amazing to drive 70000km and get a brand new battery.
The car is as good as new, never had a single issue apart from that recall, so it should be good for another 10 years after that. By which time a new pack will probably be a third of the current price. That said, my car will be on the market if I manage to secure an Ioniq 5.
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EVdownUnder wrote: Tue, 05 Oct 2021, 06:45 ...so it should be good for another 10 years after that. By which time a new pack will probably be a third of the current price...
Maybe, but I don't think we will be needing new batteries after 10 years if we look after them well:
Set an 80% charge limit if you are only doing local driving.
Plug in to recharge well before you get low - IE use the middle range of the battery for local driving. It's easy when you have so much range.
Charge to 100% just before a longer trip so it doesn't sit on 100% for ages.
Do multiple partial top ups during long trips rather than one long fast DC charge to 100%.
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