Rural Fast Chargers + Servicing infrastructure in Rural areas

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Rural Fast Chargers + Servicing infrastructure in Rural areas

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Hi,
I am intending to attend the AGM at the EV Expo in Sydney this month.
I have an issue with the lack of charging &/or servicing availabilty in rural areas (particularly rural NSW, living in that state!)

I have spoken to Government members, both State & Fed (up!) about the need for:
-Rural public Charging & Fast Charging infrastructure (ie public car park slow charge & 24H public accessible Fast Chargers)
There is also a related issues of vehicles being parked in EV charge spots: There needs to be hefty fines for this misdemeanor!
Also anyone using a public charger should have to register a mobile phone number
(possibly by texting a number on the charger) so the vehicle owner can be contacted.
-Servicing arrangements in Rural areas: There needs to be Govt assistance to retrain & re-equip rural service entities (both car & other heavier vehicles, including Agricultural equipment, etc) to have servicing capabilities as well as free (as in open) access to servicing/maintenance information & access to assisted training to re-skill to these new technologies.
As an example, a friend who lives in Ballina must take her modern BMW to the Gold Coast for routine servicing. This also applies to my Imiev!
To fix this we need rural mechanics/technicians to be able to access tools & information to be able to maintain rural EV vehicles. Because we no longer have a viable motor manufacturing industry (except perhaps ACE & maybe a few other small manufacturers), it should be possible to legislate that the required infoprmation is available to small workshops (& perhaps enthusiasts too!).

Perhaps this could be discussed at the AGM?

regards, Doug
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Hi Doug,
Happy to catch up with you while we're in Sydney. I think we're covering a lot of this ground nationally already, so it's mainly a case of joining those already working on it and helping the cause. Understandably difficult for the non-metro areas granted. Many of the bodes who we need to work with will be at the Expo, so it could be a very productive weekend.
In WA at least, our state government has finally decided to put a plan together for EVs, and they've sort of bundled it up into a broader climate thing. So the last 12 months of meetings has helped push the glacial rate of progress at least.
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I know it isn't particularly fast charging, but caravan parks have 15 amp outlets. It is at least a last resort method of recharging and could be useful if over night stops were planned to use a caravan park cabin or on site van for the accommodation. Staying at a pub or motel would be another option because I'm sure they would let you plug in for a recharge if you were staying there over night or even dropped into the pub for a counter lunch. Worth a try anyway.

Looking forward to hearing what comes out of trying to organise state and federal govts to implement some sort of rural recharging facilities, the vehicle servicing thing might be another story though. Being an ex mechanic I know the limited mechanical abilities in rural areas, learned quick not to mention I was a mechanic if I stopped anywhere over night, it made it very hard to escape the next day. Plenty of mechanical workshops but no mechanics, they all left for the mines yrs ago is the usual tale.

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Hi Doug - I will also be in Sydney and look forward to catching up with everyone. As Chris Jones has already mentioned, a few of us have been lobbying our State and Fed MP's regarding the "fill out" of EV charging infrastructure for NSW (map attached) . Drop me an email (work) and I will send you a copy. Regards. Chris.http://forums.aeva.asn.au/download/file ... ew&id=1750
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doug wrote: Sun, 06 Oct 2019, 10:41
There is also a related issues of vehicles being parked in EV charge spots: There needs to be hefty fines for this misdemeanor!
Also anyone using a public charger should have to register a mobile phone number
(possibly by texting a number on the charger) so the vehicle owner can be contacted.
HEAR HEAR. IMO, the fine needs to be such that the culprit would never consider doing it again. A particularly bad location for ICE-vehicles in an EV-charging zone is the Treetop Centre at West Burleigh, which appears to be a consequence of congested parking situation exacerbated by the medical centre / chemist nearby. Centre management does its best to warn ICE-drivers that they are liable to be fined, but seems there is no end of people who say they will only be a minute and they are still there an hour later.

I suspect the same problem will arise at Helensvale which like all railway station carparks in south east Queensland is totally full by 7am.
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Hi there-I've been trying out regional NSW DC charging on was back from Expo to Melb in my Kona. (via Coffs Harbour!!) Seems to be a few at least. Went up the coast up to Coffs (1 charge on way up) then inland to Tamworth and Dubbo DC chargers. (Only used Dubbo one tonight ... over dinner ... as caravan park choice not very EV supportive!). Will try DC chargers at Parkes, West Wyalong and Narranderra on way to Euroa/home tomorrow. This far, all working and in good condition. None of the horror images from Les's Tritium presentation at the expo. .. Yet. 😆
Conclusion so far: if only we committment from the stakeholders to provide at least your basic spread in Vic!!
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MrD wrote: Thu, 10 Oct 2019, 10:21 Hi Doug - I will also be in Sydney and look forward to catching up with everyone. As Chris Jones has already mentioned, a few of us have been lobbying our State and Fed MP's regarding the "fill out" of EV charging infrastructure for NSW (map attached) . Drop me an email (work) and I will send you a copy. Regards. Chris.http://forums.aeva.asn.au/download/file ... ew&id=1750
so nothing planned for Narrabri?
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jonescg wrote: Sun, 06 Oct 2019, 21:18
I think we're covering a lot of this ground nationally already, so it's mainly a case of joining those already working on it and helping the cause. Understandably difficult for the non-metro areas granted. Many of the bodes who we need to work with will be at the Expo, so it could be a very productive weekend.
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Hi,

I'm new to AEVA and very interested in this topic of lobbying for better rural charging infrastructure coverage. It seems to me that the sooner we have a better rural network of public chargers, the quicker will be the uptake of EVs.

It would be great to know what progress has taken place since 2019 (if any) and what is currently happening nationally and at a State level (I'm particularly interested in Vic). If there are opportunities to lobby local councils and state politicians and bureaucrats, I'd be interested in learning more and in being involved. I would hope that AEVA (ie all of us) could take the lead on some of this.

Look forward to hearing back.
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timbudge wrote: Thu, 22 Jul 2021, 08:09
It would be great to know what progress has taken place since 2019 (if any) and what is currently happening nationally and at a State level (I'm particularly interested in Vic).
2019 is a lifetime away in EV fast charging progress! Probably the easiest way of graphically showing this is via this GIF (which itself needs an update, as it's from 6 months ago):

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Orange = 350 kW
Black = 50-75 kW
White = unconfirmed, speculated locations

Note that AC chargers or other locations with limitations (e.g. Tesla only, CCS2 only, limited access) are not shown.


More specifically since then, the Queensland Electric Super Highway has announced their third stage which includes a number of inland sites, and in Victoria, the Charging The Regions network is in the process of building out a number of sites in the north-west of the state.

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This image includes these two new network stages (also note some of the "speculated" remote SA and WA ones are shown here with black dots - don't read too much into that!)

Finally it's also worth mentioning that the recently announced NSW Government EV strategy includes about $120m in funding for charging stations, many of which will (probably) include an increased 175-350 kW charger footprint in regional NSW.
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Newell Hwy beyond Coonabarabran please.
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Thanks - great to see the graphic. It would be good to have the source so that I can continue to track and perhaps drill down on rural Victoria.

My real interest 'though is knowing a bit more about who (if anyone) is lobbying for more chargers and what can be done to push for more, since I suspect they will be one of the keys for making EVs for mainstream. What lobbying is taking place and what is the response? How do we amplify the voices for seeking better infrastructure? Does AEVA see this as part of its mandate?
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