Notes on my commute.

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Notes on my commute.

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So after riding to work and back a few times now, it's been very consistent in using half the battery (according to the display, which could be wrong I guess). And last night I dug out the power measuring meter thingo and plugged it in between the socket and the bike to see what the bike used to charge overnight. And I noticed the initial amperage draw was 6A, but the bike was registering 10A (according to the speedo/10 thing it does). Not that I really care. The charge did take about 3.5hrs from half full, the last hour was at a more subdued rate of 4A according to the bike. In the morning I also checked how much total power it used: 3.1kWh. Which seems to make sense... as the CALB cells are like 40aH I think? So is the nominal capacity maybe around 5.2kWh? Little bit of wiggle room for charger loss I guess.

It was pouring all the way in this morning, got pretty wet even under all my gear. But still smilin... EVs make me happy. Looking forward to those not to hot or cold spring days with lots of sunshine.
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yep, dash shows amps into the battery (140V @ 10A = 250v @ 6A inc some losses)

The display defaults to 30Ah of capacity as that's what the original nimh batteries were. Fortunately that's a good number to use for new CALB 40 Ah cells (remembering you're discharging them much faster than their standard discharge rate and leaving some margin for error).

Be aware, fuel gauge reset only happens when battery voltage gets down to 110v (on the old nimh firmware)
in practice what this may mean is the the bike may stop charging before the battery is full
the charger stops when either target voltage is reached, or fuel guage is full based on Ah count back in.
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So more of a review of what I've found so far:

First the negatives:
  • The suspension is harder and less pleasant than the old petrol scooter, maybe in part to the smaller wheels. And it seems to jar over bigger bumps. Which may be able to be adjusted for me later, at least on the rear. Interestingly I tried taking a pillion passenger on the weekend and it make a positive difference in the handling. I think the suspension is setup for more weight. I'll have to look into dialing it back later.
  • Seating position wise I'm slightly less comfortable in that I like to keep a very upright position due to my back issues. But it kinda makes you wanna slouch on the seat with your legs forward.
  • The aforementioned clock issue, where it keeps forgetting the current time the next day.
  • It's hella long. Makes it hard to park.
  • The speedo needle shakes a bit.
  • Head light isn't bright enough. If I have to ask myself "is it on?"... Maybe fixable...
But there are positives too:
  • More power... it's got more grunt when I want it to really move. The old scooter was (theoretically 187cc/15kw) and once moving the Vectrix kills it. That does cut into your battery something fierce though.
  • No clutch. I don't have to wait for the clutch to engage before getting full torque. Which is especially nice in slow traffic where the old scooter what need lots of rpm just to go at a snails pace. Esp on a slight hill like climbing out of the CBD to go north over the harbour bridge in heavy traffic.
  • Regen - being able to slow down to a stop without using my brakes is great. Putting power back into the batteries is very nice.
  • More storage space than the old bike.
  • No vibration/noise at the lights. Never gets old.
  • I like the train like whine of the motor much more than a petrol engine.
  • Feels like a the bikes from Tron come to life.
  • Cheaper to run. I'm using $.75 of electricity a day instead of $1.80 in petrol. (It'll pay for itself in 8 years! Not that I care about ROI). The old bike wasn't bad, 2.7L/100km but electric is still better.
  • Finally breathing a sigh of relief that I'm doing something good for the environment. And maybe one day setup some home storage to actually charge from solar that I collect.
  • Has a reverse mode! Which has been very handy in moving it in and out of tight spaces.
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So I've done about 5000 kms since I bought it now. Some more points:
  • Forgetting to charge your phone? No biggy, take power bank... forgetting to charge your motorcycle? Yeah you get to take your Arprilia today. Sigh. The vectrix has so much more torque and it's addictive. Getting back on the old tech is frustrating to say the least.
  • Scariest moment: Once going over the harbour br the motor cut completely, orange hammer light came on and I rolled to a stop above circular quay. Start is flashing... what do? Turn it off and on again? Yup that worked. Off I go again. Somewhat perplexed. Do not like.
  • Can't split through traffic as much on the vectrix. It's a big beastie.
  • I'm currently working on getting an EV second car. See also earlier comment on addictiveness. Hahaha. Expensive idea buying the vectrix... gonna cost 10's of thousands ;)
  • Surprisingly it hasn't chewed through the tyres. They still have plenty of tread.
  • I've done multiple days where the total KM was greater than the 63km range. Just gotta find a power point and some time to charge. Common places are Broadway and Macq shopping centers, Eden Gardens and a private Plugshare site in Redfern.
  • The spring to keep the seat open is so bloody annoying. I wish for a proper hinge mechanism.
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memecode said:

"Seating position wise I'm slightly less comfortable in that I like to keep a very upright position due to my back issues. But it kinda makes you wanna slouch on the seat with your legs forward."

You can just put your feet back along the sides of the runners of course. Much less contact area for your feet the further back you slide them, but you can do that. It's only a pretend harley, after all, and in my opinion, harley's ergonomics are fiendish. The things we do for image.

"Scariest moment: Once going over the harbour br the motor cut completely, orange hammer light came on and I rolled to a stop above circular quay. Start is flashing... what do? Turn it off and on again? Yup that worked. Off I go again. Somewhat perplexed. Do not like."

This happened to me as well, just once in all the time I owned it. I even remember where I was at the time :)

Edit: Adding a comment about this bit:

"Head light isn't bright enough. If I have to ask myself "is it on?"... Maybe fixable..."

I was in the company of someone who had some involvement with the University of Queensland, worked there or something. Think both he and his wife had a Vectrix (about 6 years ago, maybe). His bike was fitted with a halogen bulb (I think, about the bulb type, I mean) and he was saying how easy it is to make it happen, but I don't do much of that so I remembered it rather than did it.

I just did a quick search. It relates to 2012 but might be useful. Not halogen but HID which is high intensity discharge bulbs.
https://visforvoltage.org/forum/13385-v ... conversion
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My Vectrix has a HID head light. Its great. As good as car lights. Previous owner of the bike fitted.
Its the sort that has the cover flips up for high beam.
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memecode wrote: Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 12:32 [*] Seating position wise I'm slightly less comfortable in that I like to keep a very upright position due to my back issues. But it kinda makes you wanna slouch on the seat with your legs forward.
On mine I installed foot pegs so I could ride in an upright position. I had to do it as my shoulder was giving be problems (40km each way commute)
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wovenrovings wrote: Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 17:15 My Vectrix has a HID head light. Its great. As good as car lights. Previous owner of the bike fitted.
Its the sort that has the cover flips up for high beam.
Want! Is there a specific globe I can get?
antiscab wrote: Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 22:15
memecode wrote: Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 12:32 [*] Seating position wise I'm slightly less comfortable in that I like to keep a very upright position due to my back issues. But it kinda makes you wanna slouch on the seat with your legs forward.
On mine I installed foot pegs so I could ride in an upright position. I had to do it as my shoulder was giving be problems (40km each way commute)
Oh that sounds great. Any details on how you achieved that?

I also need to figure what tool to use to adjust the suspension...
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I had a look at mine couldn't find a brand but I took some photos. I think that because it different bms and charger, it also needed a power supply to run the light. Not sure but there is no reason it wouldn't run off the standard wiring. Thats what they do in cars....
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memecode wrote: Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 09:52
wovenrovings wrote: Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 17:15 My Vectrix has a HID head light. Its great. As good as car lights. Previous owner of the bike fitted.
Its the sort that has the cover flips up for high beam.
Want! Is there a specific globe I can get?
I have also seen LED headlights used in place of the original.
as LED's use less power, the ICM needs new firmware to stop the headlight icon flashing
memecode wrote: Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 09:52
antiscab wrote: Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 22:15
memecode wrote: Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 12:32 [*] Seating position wise I'm slightly less comfortable in that I like to keep a very upright position due to my back issues. But it kinda makes you wanna slouch on the seat with your legs forward.
On mine I installed foot pegs so I could ride in an upright position. I had to do it as my shoulder was giving be problems (40km each way commute)
Oh that sounds great. Any details on how you achieved that?
I cut away some of the lower fairing, put nutserts into a couple of holes I drilled, and bolted two supports that I took off a wrecked vectrix.
Pictures tell a batter story, but my phone is on the fritz at the moment

I'm glad I checked today though, as one of the bolts on the right foot peg had fallen out and the other was loose :S

The only downside is I couldn't have the pegs at the same height, as the left one fowls the side stand
Matt
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2007 vectrix - 156'000km
1998 prius - needs Batt
1999 Prius - needs batt
2000 prius - has 200 x headway 38120 cells
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wovenrovings wrote: Fri, 07 Feb 2020, 11:11 I had a look at mine couldn't find a brand but I took some photos. I think that because it different bms and charger, it also needed a power supply to run the light. Not sure but there is no reason it wouldn't run off the standard wiring. Thats what they do in cars....
It's probably a powersupply issue.
There's not much margin above the 35W original globe. If there were we'd just put a higher power globe in and call it a day :p

The limitation (now that the battery fans are no longer there loading up the dc-dc) is likely to be the fet inside the ICM that switches the lights on and off
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2007 vectrix - 156'000km
1998 prius - needs Batt
1999 Prius - needs batt
2000 prius - has 200 x headway 38120 cells
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The original bulb was only 35W?! So maybe a good quality led bulb would do the job, if you can get them in 35W.
The cycle analyst on mine shows about 70W usage when bike is turned on.
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memecode wrote: Thu, 06 Feb 2020, 09:52
antiscab wrote: Wed, 05 Feb 2020, 22:15
memecode wrote: Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 12:32 [*] Seating position wise I'm slightly less comfortable in that I like to keep a very upright position due to my back issues. But it kinda makes you wanna slouch on the seat with your legs forward.
On mine I installed foot pegs so I could ride in an upright position. I had to do it as my shoulder was giving be problems (40km each way commute)
Oh that sounds great. Any details on how you achieved that?

I also need to figure what tool to use to adjust the suspension...
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IMAG1413 shows where I bolted the foot peg on the right hand side of my Vectrix.
I removed the grey plastic fairing to do this (and left it off)

IMAG1414 shows where I pinched the mount off a vectrix wreck I had sitting in my shed
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1999 Prius - needs batt
2000 prius - has 200 x headway 38120 cells
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The right side foot peg on my vectrix
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1998 prius - needs Batt
1999 Prius - needs batt
2000 prius - has 200 x headway 38120 cells
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