2.5 months, 4000+ km Gong well so far!
2.5 months, 4000+ km Gong well so far!
Thought I'd do a bit of an update on our Zoe, we got one of the last pearly white ones available in the.country from Ballarat and got it shipped to Adelaide, arriving at the end of November last year.
We have done over 4000km in it so far, and except for a minor power steerimg fault before Christmas, it has performed well and is great fun.
We have so far averaged about $1/100km through solar charging with the Zappi V2 and occasional using the free or cheap chargers around Adelaide and down on the Fleurieu Peninsula.
Lack of DC fast charging hasn't really been an issue, but would be nice for some of those longer trips.
We have done over 4000km in it so far, and except for a minor power steerimg fault before Christmas, it has performed well and is great fun.
We have so far averaged about $1/100km through solar charging with the Zappi V2 and occasional using the free or cheap chargers around Adelaide and down on the Fleurieu Peninsula.
Lack of DC fast charging hasn't really been an issue, but would be nice for some of those longer trips.
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Hi Jackmoz, I'm in Adelaide and looking at possibly buying one of these from a dealer in Victoria. I would like to have a look at one first and was wondering if you might be able to help? What would be the best way to contact you? Cheers, Mark.
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Hello Jack,
Very nice looking pair of cars you have there! How do you find the Zappi charger with the Zoe? When I bought my Zoe (very happy with it also) in November, the salesman strongly intimated that the only home charger I could use was a Jet Charge, otherwise my warranty would be voided. But the Zappi looks like a perfect fit with my solar system. Love to hear your thoughts,
Regards, Russell
Very nice looking pair of cars you have there! How do you find the Zappi charger with the Zoe? When I bought my Zoe (very happy with it also) in November, the salesman strongly intimated that the only home charger I could use was a Jet Charge, otherwise my warranty would be voided. But the Zappi looks like a perfect fit with my solar system. Love to hear your thoughts,
Regards, Russell
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Hi Russell,
We have been very happy with the Zappi so far, plenty of customisation and it means that we don't draw much from the grid (unless we absolutely have to for a road trip)
We have 8.8kw of solar plus a Powerwall 2.
As far as chargers go, the power conversion is all done by the car so I don't really see how they could say that it can affect your warranty... I believe that there are possibly issues with charging at low rates continuously, but no issues I'm aware of using other type 2 chargers.
We also regularly use public type 2 and type 1 chargers with great success. Currently on the Yorke Peninsula with the Zoe, about 200km from home.
We have been very happy with the Zappi so far, plenty of customisation and it means that we don't draw much from the grid (unless we absolutely have to for a road trip)
We have 8.8kw of solar plus a Powerwall 2.
As far as chargers go, the power conversion is all done by the car so I don't really see how they could say that it can affect your warranty... I believe that there are possibly issues with charging at low rates continuously, but no issues I'm aware of using other type 2 chargers.
We also regularly use public type 2 and type 1 chargers with great success. Currently on the Yorke Peninsula with the Zoe, about 200km from home.
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This is a photo of the Zappi screen showing totals so far
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Hello,
many thanks. Yes, I am told it is better not to charge the Zoe at low rates ie 2.4kw. Can a minimum rate be set on the Zappi to ensure the charge rate stays above this level, ie 3kw?
Russell
many thanks. Yes, I am told it is better not to charge the Zoe at low rates ie 2.4kw. Can a minimum rate be set on the Zappi to ensure the charge rate stays above this level, ie 3kw?
Russell
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Yeah, the default is 1.4kw under the type 2 standard, but you can adjust it to whatever you want.
I've got it set to about 2.8kw at present.
I've got it set to about 2.8kw at present.
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Many thanks. Safe driving!
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Hi Jack and Russell
I also have a white Zoe - Ballarat's last one apart from their painted up runaround (December last year). I have a Zappi installed and apart from a couple of RCD failures, it has been terrific.
I only have 4.5 kW solar on the roof, so during winter daytime charging was often down around the minimum when in the Eco+ mode.
Russell you state that it is better to set a higher minimum than the default 1.4. Can you tell me more? Why is it better to have a higher minimum?
Jack what sort of realistic range do you get out of your Zoe?
Thanks
I also have a white Zoe - Ballarat's last one apart from their painted up runaround (December last year). I have a Zappi installed and apart from a couple of RCD failures, it has been terrific.
I only have 4.5 kW solar on the roof, so during winter daytime charging was often down around the minimum when in the Eco+ mode.
Russell you state that it is better to set a higher minimum than the default 1.4. Can you tell me more? Why is it better to have a higher minimum?
Jack what sort of realistic range do you get out of your Zoe?
Thanks
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The efficiency of charging at 6A (1400W) is about 56% or even lower if the battery needs cooling (e.g. on a very hot day). I once drove for a while on a 45deg day and tried charging at 6A and found that all the energy was going into the heat pump for cooling, so nil into the battery.
I've had mine for 39months and usually charge at 12 to 14A (depending on the sun). The efficiency at that level is around 86%.
At max (22kW), efficiency is of the order of 96%.
People make a big thing of the poor efficiency at 6A, but I also have a Tesla Model 3LR and the efficiency of that at 6A is almost identical to the Zoe. At 12A, the Tesla is almost 90% so a little bit better than the Zoe (but not much).
I've previously published Zoe efficiency figures elsewhere in the Zoe part of the forum.
Cheers,
Dave
I've had mine for 39months and usually charge at 12 to 14A (depending on the sun). The efficiency at that level is around 86%.
At max (22kW), efficiency is of the order of 96%.
People make a big thing of the poor efficiency at 6A, but I also have a Tesla Model 3LR and the efficiency of that at 6A is almost identical to the Zoe. At 12A, the Tesla is almost 90% so a little bit better than the Zoe (but not much).
I've previously published Zoe efficiency figures elsewhere in the Zoe part of the forum.
Cheers,
Dave
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Hi @ZoeJoy apologies its taken me a while to reply. @doggy thanks for the charging comment, I found one of your posts early on which was quite useful.
I'm actually in France at the moment, I moved here in June for work and unfortunately had to sell my Australian Zoe before I came.
With regards to range, I typically got around 300km around town/hills, give or take a little depending on how much fun was being had in the hills and about 220km for highway at say around~100km/h average speed. we ended up doing about 10,000km in the 6 months we owned the car and did a number of trips to the yorke peninsula as well as trips closer to Adelaide.
I would note that I sold it before winter really set in and would have expected that to go down upto 30%
On another note, I bought a 2020 model ZE50 Zoe in France which has the larger 52kwn battery and ~395km range, certainly a pity they didn't come to Australia.
Cheers,
Jack
I'm actually in France at the moment, I moved here in June for work and unfortunately had to sell my Australian Zoe before I came.
With regards to range, I typically got around 300km around town/hills, give or take a little depending on how much fun was being had in the hills and about 220km for highway at say around~100km/h average speed. we ended up doing about 10,000km in the 6 months we owned the car and did a number of trips to the yorke peninsula as well as trips closer to Adelaide.
I would note that I sold it before winter really set in and would have expected that to go down upto 30%
On another note, I bought a 2020 model ZE50 Zoe in France which has the larger 52kwn battery and ~395km range, certainly a pity they didn't come to Australia.
Cheers,
Jack
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Hi Jack - you'll soon be seeing the e-Megane for sale there (March 2022 I believe). Would love to hear your impressions of it if you get to take one for a test drive.
BTW: if you're coming back to Australia - will you bring the ZE50 with you? It would have been a brilliant competitor to the all-SUV EV lineup we seem to be inflicted with here.
Such a shame they didn't continue with the Zoe when the new model came out there. Hopefully the Kangoo ZE doesn't suffer the same fate - they are ceasing cease production of the current one soon/the new 44kWh model Kangoo comes out at about the same time as the e-Megane. 2022 looks likely to be an exciting time for new EV models. (Some MIGHT even make it here ..
Cheers
Bryce
BTW: if you're coming back to Australia - will you bring the ZE50 with you? It would have been a brilliant competitor to the all-SUV EV lineup we seem to be inflicted with here.
Such a shame they didn't continue with the Zoe when the new model came out there. Hopefully the Kangoo ZE doesn't suffer the same fate - they are ceasing cease production of the current one soon/the new 44kWh model Kangoo comes out at about the same time as the e-Megane. 2022 looks likely to be an exciting time for new EV models. (Some MIGHT even make it here ..
Cheers
Bryce
Current EV drive: 2019 Kona electric, 2010 iMiEV
Also in family: 2019 Renault Zoe
Past drives: 2011 Blade Getz, 2011 Leaf, 2001 Citroen Berlingo conversion
Past Conversions: DC Berlingo, AC Berlingo, AC Sprinter
Also in family: 2019 Renault Zoe
Past drives: 2011 Blade Getz, 2011 Leaf, 2001 Citroen Berlingo conversion
Past Conversions: DC Berlingo, AC Berlingo, AC Sprinter
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Hi @Bryce ,
Unfortunately our time here is being cut short and we are coming back in January now, so probably won't get to try the new megane.
It's a left hand drive Zoe which would make it a little problematic to bring back and it might be a challenge long term with a true unicorn car in Aus! So far it's been lovely though and the extra range was appreciated last week when we travelled through the Loire Valley and did about 1800km.
It's a bit of a mess with charging systems over here, but there are about 10x higher charger density + lots of shopping centres have free ones (mostly Aldi and LIDL, which is always handy)
Certainly heaps of Zoes here though, you can often hear that characteristic low speed warning noise going past.
One of the amazing things is just how much cheaper they are here! We paid 11500 euros for a 2020 life model with 6000km (and a 95€ a month battery lease for 12500km/year) even short term it works out same or less cost than a petrol powered car before you take into account servicing (what servicing)
Unfortunately our time here is being cut short and we are coming back in January now, so probably won't get to try the new megane.
It's a left hand drive Zoe which would make it a little problematic to bring back and it might be a challenge long term with a true unicorn car in Aus! So far it's been lovely though and the extra range was appreciated last week when we travelled through the Loire Valley and did about 1800km.
It's a bit of a mess with charging systems over here, but there are about 10x higher charger density + lots of shopping centres have free ones (mostly Aldi and LIDL, which is always handy)
Certainly heaps of Zoes here though, you can often hear that characteristic low speed warning noise going past.
One of the amazing things is just how much cheaper they are here! We paid 11500 euros for a 2020 life model with 6000km (and a 95€ a month battery lease for 12500km/year) even short term it works out same or less cost than a petrol powered car before you take into account servicing (what servicing)
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Re: 2.5 months, 4000+ km Gong well so far!
We spent 50% of each year (summers) in France from 2010 to 2018 when we sold our French Barge. Wonderful years. That's what convinced us to buy Zoe here in Oz. It is still excellent, 'though the ZE50 would have been even better. We've ended up with the Zoe for around town and near regional and the Tesla for long distances. Would love to have CCS charging on Zoe. From around 2013 to 2018, lots of even small towns were installing charging. The VNF (French waterways) had almost all EVs. The Post Office had mostly EVs plus electric three wheelers. Years ahead of Australia. Electricity was about 10c per kWHr. Big solar arrays covering car parks, wind generators springing up, hydro on a number of rivers. While we were there, initially there were huge coal barges moving coal on a daily basis. Thousands of tonnes at a time. By the time we left France, the coal barges had stopped completely and many power stations were being disassembled and the huge amounts of steel and other metals were being barged to the recycling factories to reuse the steel and aluminium.
Renault Zoe ZE40, 2017
Tesla Model 3LR, 2021
11kWHr LiFePO4 AVASS battery with 5kW inverter
5kWHr LiFePO4 battery running all computers. comms, CCTV
4.7kW AC Enphase solar system
1kW DC solar system
16 evac tube HWS with 280L
AEVA and TOCA member
Tesla Model 3LR, 2021
11kWHr LiFePO4 AVASS battery with 5kW inverter
5kWHr LiFePO4 battery running all computers. comms, CCTV
4.7kW AC Enphase solar system
1kW DC solar system
16 evac tube HWS with 280L
AEVA and TOCA member