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Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Thu, 16 Dec 2021, 05:34
by doggy
The good thing is that the "boings" stop after a relatively short time. Unlike my other cars where they persist until you obey- even if the speed detected is bogus.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Thu, 16 Dec 2021, 07:30
by Nagaman
doggy wrote: ↑Thu, 16 Dec 2021, 05:34
The good thing is that the "boings" stop after a relatively short time. Unlike my other cars where they persist until you obey- even if the speed detected is bogus.
Reminds me - when I’m distracted long enough for the red alarm and ap drops out, it seems you don’t have to ‘park’ in order to enable it again…….just re-select. Hmmmm not sure if that’s intentional though.
Those loud bongs on narrow seal are another pain.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Fri, 14 Jan 2022, 18:00
by Nagaman
Speed camera recognition is still unreliable and certainly can’t be trusted.
TACC can’t maintain a set distance and the surging is now worse…..plus weird ‘scaredy-cat’ braking when a vehicle overtakes which just adds to the confusion as to what to expect next. Three collocated cameras for depth perception? I don’t think so.
If only games and light show business didn’t take so much concentrated endeavour, maybe the basics could be given some consideration…..including legibility.
The programmers should be required to do their work on a jiggling desk also……equating to ownership reality of use.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Sat, 15 Jan 2022, 06:32
by Nagaman
………and yet another update today.
Will this fix more than it causes ?
Why do I not look forward to them anymore.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 08:50
by Nagaman
Tesla’s servicing situation in north east U.S. is so serious that if the word gets around, orders will collapse amongst the general public if not dedicated fans who apparently will excuse anything.
I just hope this isn’t what we can expect soon.
I sense an obsessive who has become bored with running the ‘established’ auto division and is really only interested and motivated by factory openings and space ventures……….definitely not the day to day running trivia.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 08:55
by Nagaman
Nagaman wrote: ↑Sun, 23 Jan 2022, 08:50
Tesla’s servicing situation in north east U.S. is so serious that if the word gets around, orders will collapse amongst the general public if not dedicated fans who apparently will excuse anything.
I just hope this isn’t what we can expect soon.
I sense an obsessive who has become bored with running the ‘established’ auto division and is really only interested and motivated by factory openings and space ventures……….definitely not the day to day running trivia.
Ps: I fear that the software engineers are way overblown and getting nowhere also……….could FSD be the greatest con of a fan base ?
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Wed, 26 Jan 2022, 12:21
by sleeperpservice
Saw some of the changes on TeslaBjorns 60kWh range test video and boy are they incongruous. Especially the charging info when there is so much blank screen real estate. Sure you could get used to it but it's a terrible UX
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Wed, 26 Jan 2022, 17:08
by Nagaman
sleeperpservice wrote: ↑Wed, 26 Jan 2022, 12:21
Saw some of the changes on TeslaBjorns 60kWh range test video and boy are they incongruous. Especially the charging info when there is so much blank screen real estate. Sure you could get used to it but it's a terrible UX
Don’t tell me about it…….I used to have a card up constantly but now it’s just an example of fumbling incompetence presented as yet another improvement. Unfortunately for the last 2 years at least it’s been nothing of substance that hasn’t had to be fixed with even more bugs. Our cheap n cheerful MG never fails to accurately identify work speed limits .
Efficiency is industry leading and Shanghai hardware solid quiet and classy……….but apart from brilliant lane keeping the UI is getting worse and worse and with it legibility also.
I suspect the increased blank space is to accommodate the distracting glamour and glitter of FSD(if you believe in it) clutter.
Zac and Jesse have exposed Elon’s careless ignorance and or contempt for the mere minutiae of after sales service which will only compound rapidly from here.
If the Chinese could master efficiency and genuine auto-steer we would have an affordable competitor and option; they are probably capable of cell supply competition which is THE big kahuna .
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 08:55
by Nagaman
Schedule a departure and it seemingly wants to fight you - eg switch off and or change time set………wapita !
Apparently a Tesla is just soo smart it knows better than the owner.
I’ll check back tomorrow and maybe it’ll have changed it’s behaviour yet again.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Thu, 27 Jan 2022, 12:23
by Nagaman
So yet another update today, so well see what happens and if anything of actual substance results on our Melbourne trip.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Sun, 30 Jan 2022, 14:50
by Nagaman
So today the Shepparton 80 zone from the southern side was ‘recognised’ as 30, which makes me think that the problem is that 80 (mph) signs in America don’t exist but all the lower ones do and are therefore recognised. 80 being ‘seen’ as 30 ? Either way it’s certainly not consistent. Temporary works speed limits are very hit and miss.
Our MG never fails to accurately identify temporary speed signs in my experience.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Sun, 30 Jan 2022, 15:33
by doggy
I have a local 50 sign that is faded unevenly (from sunlight). The car always recognized it as 30km/hr until the 2021.44.30.11 release. Now it is correctly recognized as 50 (5 times in a row). What I don't know is whether the sun angles have subtly changed or the software is improved or Council cleaned the sign (doubtful)...... In general, I have very few incorrect signs. The other issue is when there are branches of trees or vines in front of signs and that has sometimes given incorrect readings.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 12:50
by Nagaman
doggy wrote: ↑Sun, 30 Jan 2022, 15:33
I have a local 50 sign that is faded unevenly (from sunlight). The car always recognized it as 30km/hr until the 2021.44.30.11 release. Now it is correctly recognized as 50 (5 times in a row). What I don't know is whether the sun angles have subtly changed or the software is improved or Council cleaned the sign (doubtful)...... In general, I have very few incorrect signs. The other issue is when there are branches of trees or vines in front of signs and that has sometimes given incorrect readings.
Hi Dave, the Shepparton Goulburn Valley Hwy signs are not degraded or obstructed and failures aren’t consistent or predictable.
Advisory ones inconsistently trigger regen braking - and roadworks temporary signs are totally unpredictable.
I don’t swallow FSD story, if only because humans specialise in inconsistency, incompetence and unpredictability.
I wonder how many have seen the horrific U.S. 75 mph Interstate crash at night, recorded on the sentry camera with no alarm sound or braking.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 13:31
by doggy
Interesting about it getting completely good signs wrong.
I assume your cameras are clean? Presumably they are and the software is at fault.
I have no interest in FSD and at least in Australia it seems to be years away from any sort of reality. It would be a waste of money. When one thinks of all the human brain does when driving (inc non standard road signs, threats etc) I think the current software is far away from approaching human capability.
Interesting you have braking from signs. I do not think I've ever had that. I sometimes have had regen braking when rounding a bend with parked cars wrongly interpreted as being a threat. Apart from that, the only thing that happens from incorrect signs is some ding-ding sounds for allegedly being over the limit. Mercifully these go away fairly quickly. My car has never once changed speed in TACC when any road speed sign is detected, which is probably a good thing!
I use TACC a lot when driving (particularly as there is no speed limiter as on all European cars) and my main requirement is for that to work well. If I have to press the stalk to change speed when signs are (correctly) detected or ignore the occasional ding-ding when a speed sign is incorrectly detected, then so be it. I use lane keeping very occasionally.
I had a loaner Kia, top of the line, last year when my Zoe was out of action for a couple of months. The equivalent to TACC and lane keeping in that thing were absolutely horrible and I turned them off on every trip. Could not work out how to do it permanently. In fact, much about that car was difficult which has tinged my opinion of Kia, though hopefully their EVs are a lot better. My Tesla is way ahead of that Kia for TACC/lanekeeping, but apart from that, I have no experience of any other car with those features.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 14:28
by Nagaman
Being country based I use TACC constantly and 80+ speeds so I imagine I’m not a typical Tesla owner.
Running wide on back road bends is still dangerous if an oncoming motorcycle is on a blast and committed to the centre line….and this hasn’t been addressed at all. TACC spacing is very sloppy and not just triggered by off ramps either.
Motorway tracking is brilliant and that’s about it .
I don’t fall for the conveniently inexpensive cameras are sufficient either…….it’s certainly a cost saving.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 15:48
by philupandgo
FSD was the main reason i bought a Tesla. Not expecting it to be real right away, but keen to experience the growth of the tech. One week after receiving my SR+ at the end of 2019, and just in time for my first interstate trip, we got NoA added to FSD. That was 1 year after the USA. Stopping for traffic lights was added four months after America, and following other cars through green lights came only a month late. Acting on speed signs had a two month delay. All of these depend on local knowledge (map data and object recognition) which, even in America, is hit and miss. The trend though was looking like we might get the full city streets capability, a much bigger effort, within a year.
Then they decided that FSD needed to be rewritten to base decisions on 4D video and thus the great software update pause began. Only barely noticable improvements (regressions) since then, because we are all on the "other" software branch where the cool kids aren't. There are 60,000 cool kids testing the new software. Just recently it seems that the 4D processing is thought to be too laggy, so they are changing it again to something called photon counts. Even so, wide (US) release of the full FSD is thought to happen this year (like we haven't heard that before) where it is expected to be better than humans. And probably this quarter for beta (as good as humans) and beginning the early access program for Canada at about the same time.
People, in particular regions, already consider beta to be no more stressful than regular driving. Even now NoA is unstressful in Australia, not because it doesn't make mistakes, but because it has become largely predictable. Even tootling around the 'burbs, i know when i can use FSD or not. Yes, i am drinking the coolade, and a pity to only see the improvements on YouTube.
As demonstrated by earlier releases here, Australia is very receptive to the development of autonomous driving, and Tesla's approach. All the legislation is already in place. I don't expect us to be at the back end of the queue.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Mon, 31 Jan 2022, 16:39
by Nagaman
I just remember the FSD/robotaxi revenue spruiking for the delectation of susceptible investors, years ago. It was due shortly.
No radar now, price increases across the board including US$2K for FSD, elimination of the pr department etc……many cost savings and price increases tend to support my theory that Elon has a somewhat desperate need for a higher share price .
Everyday Astronaut faithfully follows Elon’s true current passion…..and a thorough technical examination of his expensive turbo booster rockets.
I just wonder how many Tesla shareholders know about this distraction, or the number of stranded owners who aren’t getting any satisfaction.
As much as I love the hardware efficiency and charging infrastructure, I’m looking forward to an efficiency competitor from a genuinely enthusiastic manufacturer, because we need competition.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Wed, 02 Feb 2022, 10:19
by Nagaman
Slowed again today at same sign……the first one was recognised correctly but it’s the second one which I’ll have to examine more closely. The first 40 roadworks was ignored but the second one obeyed.
Three LOUD (((BONGS)) frightened the tripe out of us for some obscure reason (blind spot warning?)
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Fri, 04 Feb 2022, 13:26
by Nagaman
More startling (((BONG)))s today - 2 within 50 metres of leaving the Apollo Bay motel and a further 2 later and all for no apparent reason, yet again. A swerve which startled, for no reason other than perhaps bicycle line markings.
Speed failures are now so regular the it’s becoming predictable eg 100 down to 80 ok But back to 100 just prior to the 60 sign ……sigh. It’s as if local signs are remembered but new ones need to become familiar to be recognised.
Back in November things were fine……..then came the Xmas present! If only I could go back with the software stuff ups.
Please , spare me the photons bs and all the other blue sky dreams of pothole avoidance, extra space for large vehicles and other easily digested whimsy for what I NOW see as the gullible.
Brilliant efficiency but pity about the software incompetence by the auto unqualified.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Sat, 05 Feb 2022, 07:25
by Nagaman
Taylor Ogan on the FSD failures with his Tesla on his roads…….not even close :
https://electrek.co/2022/02/04/podcast- ... e-factory/
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Wed, 16 Feb 2022, 05:15
by Nagaman
Update 44.30.14 and electronic speed signs aren’t recognised still, temporary road works speed signs rarely recognised also; and autopilot engaged but (recognised) speed limit able to be exceeded way beyond pre-set limit …..at times ???
At least phantom braking seems to be pretty much a thing of the past………not the irrelevant traffic however.
Electromechanical, thermodynamic and aerodynamic efficiencies, along with lane keeping, are first class however………..just a pity the autonomy ‘stories’ don’t measure up to the same standard.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Fri, 18 Feb 2022, 07:00
by Nagaman
Yesterday, traveling from Seymour to Yea on the Goulburn Valley Highway, a paint dribble (cracked paint can?) from near the centreline towards the shoulder, had the car, on autopilot, swerve towards the guardrail. Luckily I wasn’t taking it for granted at that particular time. The world isn’t marked perfectly everywhere apparently……and paint cans CAN spoil your day.
More camera based speed recognition failures again eg: 100 > 80 and > 60 ok But the 50 NOT…..and why aren’t the variable electronic ones ever recognised ?
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Fri, 11 Mar 2022, 07:18
by Nagaman
Stanhope to Girgarre northbound yesterday - 100 kph zone BUT southbound it becomes a 60 kph zone.
The signboards are all perfectly legible. Lots of temporary work signs also, but identified only occasionally/randomly.
Slowing immediately on advisory signs …..sometimes. Occasionally you can dial up big ‘speeding’ numbers on autopilot also…….sometimes.
We must have an intermittent photons problem in regional Victoria.
I’m starting to think it’s geolocation and published works rather than photons.
But cameras ARE the solution……..apparently.
Why max volume (((BONG))) on the receipt of an email……occasionally/randomly ?
It’s just as well the hardware is so good.
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Fri, 11 Mar 2022, 08:07
by doggy
Hi,
I'm interested that your car slows (sometimes). Mine never changes speed when on TACC and/lanekeeping unless I tell it to do so.
Do you have FSD or at least NOA?
Re: Now it works now it doesn’t
Posted: Fri, 11 Mar 2022, 14:44
by Nagaman
doggy wrote: ↑Fri, 11 Mar 2022, 08:07
Hi,
I'm interested that your car slows (sometimes). Mine never changes speed when on TACC and/lanekeeping unless I tell it to do so.
Do you have FSD or at least NOA?
All the issues are on basic autopilot…….and the TACC component is what I would expect with a non radar/lidar system eg a 3 set can vary between 3 and 10 with surging, and not entirely due to off-ramps either. It’s like an child who gets distracted.
I suspect in the city cars are recognised as such , but trucks can be significantly smaller versions of much bigger ones but much closer. It’s the only way I can explain the inconsistency in camera only distance maintenance.
There are a number of locations where an imagined reduced speed limit is imposed.