100,000km

Post by **offgridQLD** » Thu, 09 Oct 2014, 14:40

Who on the forum will be the 1st to crack 100,000km in there Imiev.

Malm, you must be well into the 70k mark

Acmotor how many km have you peddled in you Imiev now?

When will the 100,000km mark be cracked some time next year?

I just don't clock up that many KM in ours 14,000km to date.

Kurt

Post by **Gabz** » Thu, 09 Oct 2014, 14:44

I'm at 20,000 km. so won't crack 100k km for another 5 years.

Post by **offgridQLD** » Thu, 09 Oct 2014, 15:07

Yes the 100,000km mark represents about 8 years of my current driving trend.

Though Picking this number as just a good round number. I think it will be interesting to take note of how the cars that achieve this are performing at that point. perhaps a rundown on any general maintenance and any unforeseen issues over the 100,000km. Along with the all important capacity of the battery at that stage. It realy will be interesting so see what its like living with a 100,000km EV

I think it might help in answering some questions around the (use it or loose it theory)If some can do say 100,000km in 5 years with 20% reduction in capacity how will others go after the same mileage spread out over 8 - 10 years.

kurt

Post by **Johny** » Thu, 09 Oct 2014, 15:56

It will also be interesting to see if it is reasonable in 8 years or so to replace the battery or cells. Given that an EV like the iMiev is hitting diminishing returns for efficiency (discounting carbon fiber bodies etc.), will it still be a viable vehicle for battery replacement?

Also, would the 70% battery pack be suitable for a house bank and can you get it from Mitsu.

A lot to watch in the coming decade - can only guess.

Post by **offgridQLD** » Thu, 09 Oct 2014, 16:16

Yes though the same could be said for a lot of older model cars that are inferior to the later models. There is still a lot of interest in them for many reasons.

I think I 10 - 12 yo Imiev sitting there with just a worn out battery would be very tempting to keep it running in some way or another.

My fear is they will just price the battery at a cost that makes it a write off. lets just say 16kwh of quality OEM cells relativistically should cost $10,000? (it's only a small pack) If that was so I would be happy with that if I only needed to change them at 100,000km 0 10 years. It's only $1000 PA. It would cost me $7500 in fuel in a (5lt - 100km ice car)to do the same 100k- KM and the other $3k would be oil changes and so on. (I have free electricity)

Though perhaps they will do something silly and just say its $30,000 for the battery to make you just go out and get a new car.

Or your stuck tinkering with aftermarket cells.

Kurt

Post by **Johny** » Thu, 09 Oct 2014, 16:23

offgridQLD wrote: Or your stuck tinkering with aftermarket cells.
Kurt

Agreed. IMO It's not unreasonable to think that 3.7V cells of similar or higher capacity and smaller size would be available in a few years. Also there may be a bit more info around by then about how the cell management system works in the i.

Post by **antiscab** » Fri, 10 Oct 2014, 04:12

offgridQLD wrote:
My fear is they will just price the battery at a cost that makes it a write off. lets just say 16kwh of quality OEM cells relativistically should cost $10,000?

Given the leaf modules are available on the second hand market at US$110ea (or US$5k for a whole 24kwh battery), I'd say $5k would be the going rate for a 16kwh pack

just have a sell a few more and have people crash them

Post by **offgridQLD** » Fri, 10 Oct 2014, 04:32

I think that's a dream. I think the imiev's sales are more or less a thing of the past. Defanatly so in AU and my as well be in other country's .

It will be OEM price for OEM bank or a DIY aftermarket option.

The leaf cells people are purchasing are often from new damaged cars and they sold a lot of them coated to imiev's and continue to sell them in reasonable numbers. Not so for the imiev.

Kurt

Post by **Adverse Effects** » Fri, 10 Oct 2014, 04:44

where are you guys getting the units / cells from i carnt seem to find them for less than $50 + shipping

Post by **lesmando** » Mon, 13 Oct 2014, 00:43

I have done 61,500 km so far in the LEAF. So maybe July 2016 ish.

Post by **mikedufty** » Mon, 13 Oct 2014, 22:16

A renew economy article today said Tesla are currently paying Panasonic $180 per kWh for batteries and intending to reduce it hugely. That current price would be only around $3,000 for an iMiEV battery pack, so there is potential for a replacement to be cheap in 8 years. Whether anything cheap is available in a suitable format is the problem.

Post by **offgridQLD** » Mon, 13 Oct 2014, 22:28

That price almost sounds to good to be true 15k for there 85kwh battery in the model S. Must be some big mark ups on them.

Kurt

Post by **Johny** » Mon, 13 Oct 2014, 23:03

Manufacturer to retail from raw materials is often 3 to 4 times raw material costs. So it sounds reasonable.

Post by **offgridQLD** » Mon, 13 Oct 2014, 23:06

$180 - kwh for the raw materials sounds better.

Post by **mikedufty** » Tue, 14 Oct 2014, 01:16

Pretty sure it was supposed to be the price Tesla pay for cells. It did say everyone else is paying $500 plus. Web site seems to be down at the moment so I can't check.