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Post by g4qber » Wed, 23 Apr 2014, 02:54

7 arrived today at paceway Mitsubishi. 13 more coming.

Will be on Carsales soon.

A few of them have blue better place mennekes to j1772 cables. Hopefully these have been upgraded with pilot signal harness.

There was a 2011+ imiev in the shop waiting for parts
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another had vic EV trial
One was from NSW
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Post by Gabz » Wed, 23 Apr 2014, 03:45

hmmm I could buy 3 of theses and just place them up and down the F3 instead of an outlander.

by the way why have they all being shipped to perth ?

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Post by g4qber » Wed, 23 Apr 2014, 15:44

not ALL are being shipped to Perth.
Confirmed Craig that there are 60 nationwide.
there are currently 30 left to be alocated east.
10 have been sold.

my hunch is that because the imievs have been selling relatively well in Perth.
eg. 2010 families & institutions
a) Ant
b) Craig
c) Phil
d) Eddie

1) Western Power have bought over theirs after the lease expired.
http://www.westernpower.com.au/aboutus/ ... _road.html
http://www.westernpower.com.au/aboutus/ ... icles.html

2) Gateway Project x2

one of the 2010 imievs was left on this evening. This is one reason that the 2011+ models went back to key mode.
both 2010 imievs on sale at the moment have Better Place mennekes to J1772 connectors, so they may have the Pilot signal upgrade already.
The non-EVSE group will be pleased as they get the best of both worlds.
a) Plug directly into mains socket
b) Plug into J1772 bollards as at Nissan Dealerships.

Chris tan has sold a few imievs too.
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Post by g4qber » Wed, 07 May 2014, 05:08

curious how the west australian elektrobay bollard works OK with the 2010 imiev.

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got email from Bob Gell, he says that there should be 5 pins.

Simon can you please up load a pic of your Dad's 2010 imiev socket?
I shall try to get my 2011 imiev pic up too.
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Post by g4qber » Wed, 07 May 2014, 05:09

note that the outlander top pins don't seem to be shiny.
will be interesting to see if the outlander can charge at the west australian.

although it is hard to see, the outlander's bottom three pins are metal.
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Post by Gabz » Wed, 07 May 2014, 14:43

the outlander looks like it has insulated pins.

g4qber your forget the 2 reason we have EVSE, 1 to provided RCD protection or electric shock protection 2 to provide over current protection. (3 provide a standard connector across countries)

your Mitsubishi provided (and volt and leaf) EVSE all provide over current protection by using the signal pins to tell the car not to pull more than it allows. the electrobay public charger (and chargepoint public chargers) are able to measure the current going through so it provides over current protection not by just telling the car not to pull x amount of amps. but by monitoring the current itself and shutting down on over current.

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The 2010 I-miev doesn't have the control signal connected.
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Post by reecho » Wed, 07 May 2014, 18:44

So a 2010 with 25kms for $18k a reasonable price??

Maybe some haggle room?

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Post by Simon » Wed, 07 May 2014, 19:41

I think $18,000 is abit much. Should be able to get it for $16-17,000 drive away.

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Post by g4qber » Wed, 07 May 2014, 20:40

So gabz. How is it that the electrobay bollard works ?

It would appear that the bollards don't need the pilot signal?

Simon are there 5 pins in Your dads imiev ?
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Post by Gabz » Wed, 07 May 2014, 20:52

to quote myself....
Gabz wrote: the electrobay public charger (and chargepoint public chargers) are able to measure the current going through so it provides over current protection not by just telling the car not to pull x amount of amps. but by monitoring the current itself and shutting down on over current.


so it just provides power and uses it's current monitoring it has internally to provide the protection
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Post by Johny » Wed, 07 May 2014, 21:01

I guess that EVs that use J1772 but DON'T have the pilot signal are probably only of the < 2400W variety.

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Post by adelaide-ev » Wed, 07 May 2014, 21:19

reecho wrote: So a 2010 with 25kms for $18k a reasonable price??

Maybe some haggle room?


Yep haggle all you can - some factors that might help are: length of remaining warranty?, stamp duty and rego costs, imiev floor mats included?, tyre wear at 25oookm?,and whether it needs to be upgraded for public charging capability?.

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Post by adelaide-ev » Wed, 07 May 2014, 21:22

[quote="g4qber"] not ALL are being shipped to Perth.
Confirmed Craig that there are 60 nationwide.
there are currently 30 left to be alocated east.
10 have been sold.

Any idea how many of those left are the MY12 model????

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Post by reecho » Wed, 07 May 2014, 21:43

Cool, so who is the contact at Paceway to enquire about the cars listed?
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Post by g4qber » Thu, 08 May 2014, 01:09

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not sure how many MY12's will be in Perth, best to ask Craig cos he is the one bringing them in.
I've only seen the 2010 Imievs with the blue better place charge cable and original 2010 imiev grey charge cable.

might be an idea to ask e-station current total cost of upgrade to make 2010 to 2011+ spec.
previous rough ball park figure was $700 I think.
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Post by Bryce » Sat, 10 May 2014, 16:34

Hi there - as far as I know, all the Vic EV trial iMiEV's were converted to be accepted by public charging stations. (i.e. add the pilot signal electronics). Was an early issue they identified as a potential blocker to EV adoption.
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Post by g4qber » Sat, 10 May 2014, 17:58

well there's something odd with the paceway mitsu batch then cos they don't work with the 2011 Mitsu EVSE.
and the 5th pin is missing.

but they work with the west aus elektrobay bollard via the better place blue cable.

I shall go and check the gateway WA imievs

paceway seems to have heard simon.
price dropped to 16,990 from 17,990

paceway is also advertising on gumtree.http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-imiev/k0
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Post by reecho » Mon, 12 May 2014, 05:08

So in summary what are the changes in the builds again?

2010: LED Headlights, J1772 pilot optional, ???

2011: ??

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Post by carnut1100 » Mon, 12 May 2014, 07:00

2010 vs 2012 (I have a 2010, my partner has a 2012...)

2010 has LED headlights, 2012 has halogen.
2012 has auto headlights.
2010 has seven spoke wheels, 2012 has three spoke uglies.
Bumper facelift and blacked out lights on 2012.
2012 has a key hole in dash for disabling passenger airbag. I have heard the 2012 has more airbags too...
2010 shifter has D-Eco-B while 2012 has D-B-C. Eco is useless and annoying. C is useful.
2012 will go to full regeneration if you touch the brakes. 2010 does not do this.
J1772 pilot signal on 2012 only. 2010 will not charge from 2012 EVSE and 2012 will not charge from 2010 straight cable.
2010 will pull around 12 amps when low. The 2012 I have been told limits current to just under 10A although I have yet to measure hers with my power meter to confirm this.
2012 rear view mirrors are larger and more squared off and chunky. Ugly in my opinion.
2012 bumpers have the cutouts in place for a rear foglight and front fog/day running light combo that are fitted to US models...I believe the wiring is all in place for these but Mitsubishi never bothered getting them ticked off for ADR approval so never offered them here. Adding your own LED drls would be easy on a 2012 but there is no easy neat spot on a 2010.
2010 has Smartkey with keyless entry. 2012 has a conventional key.

In summary, I think the 2010 looks much nicer and has far better headlights by a large margin.
The 2012 facelift loses the crispness of the styling and makes the car look a little bloated, and the headlights just do not compare to the LED projectors, but overall it is a better car with the airbag lockout, auto lights, and better regeneration control.

Either one is a damn good car...
I have done over 10,000km on mine since I bought it in October with under 400km on the clock and she has taken hers from 11,000 when she bought it in January to over 17,000 on it now...
The only issues we have had were related to the Eclipse nav/stereo unit.
We have both moved the GPS antenna to on top of the dash as the only way to get a signal lock in any sort of reasonable timeframe. I'm not finished with the dealer on this one...it is reasonable to ask that an antenna on a cord not be sitting on top of the dash...doesn't have to be in other cars. Also I have never managed to get it to transfer more than three or four contacts from my phone before refusing to do any more without hitting the reset button...and it is very cranky on when our whether it will bluetooth connect with my phone at all. My partner's phone, just forget about it...
I have hit one wallaby with a $3k repair bill, and she has blown three tyres on potholes and broken road edges...but we live in a rural area which is alive with wallabies, potholes, and crazy drivers who force oncoming cars to the edge of the road....so that's just a hazard of where we live. In the last five years I have broken two front spoilers, one grille, two bumpers and lost some bumper trims to wallaby damage, and her Hilux sports a wallaby shaped dent in the bumper....and we've both had hundreds of near misses. The hilux and Volvo both have big high profile tyres which can take a hell of a beating from potholes too...
We both live in a gravel road too, which means tyre wear is higher than most owners will experience. After 10,500km mine are noticeably worn. I think I will be replacing at around 20,000.
The Pirelli P6s on my Volvo lasted 25,000 on this road which has steep hills with lots of corrugations.
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Post by acmotor » Tue, 13 May 2014, 00:34

Is the Eclipse NAV unit only fitted in Oz ?
Yes, for me it is the only gripe with the iMiEV.
The Bluetooth needs dental work, the maps are old, the double take boot up is annoying and I've long since forgotten what it is I have to agree to every startup. It is possible to drive to the shop before the GPS locks in and why the unit can't remember the time is beyond reason. Even the map upgrade at $160 isn't current and fault free.
Tell the dealer to take the Eclipse out and take $2,000 or what ever is was supposed to be worth off the vehicle price.
Go and buy a $500 tunez or the like off eBay, plugs into same harness, has free map upgrades and no 'I agree' screen.
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Post by adelaide-ev » Tue, 13 May 2014, 01:57

"So in summary what are the changes in the builds again?

In addition to all listed above:

Major differences in the 2 models (MY10 vs MY12) for me were 2 vs 6 airbags , MY10 only charges at 13.5 amps (quicker but limits your emergency options), MY12 charges at 9.8 amps so with an adaptor can use a GPO if caught short.( in reality have only done this once in 5 months as turns out I live near rare but adequate public charging for back up).

Other differences are trim - MY10 looks better but may need the upgrade for J1772 public charging, all MY12's already suitable.

With 2011 cars check which model they are -only MY10 or MY12 models in Aus.

If you are looking for a decent MY12 there is a black ex demo still for sale in SA with only 2600km on it and nearly 4 years warranty left.
It's on carsales and they have dropped the price to 21999 d/away but it's incorrectly advertised as a MY10 - hence not selling. It is definitely a MY12 though and not even an ex lease one. Should be able to haggle to 21500 or even 21000 d/away with floor mats. Not bad out of what's left. Dealer is Alex Payne 0404 192 182 who brought the Outlander in for the Adelaide branch to drool over and test ride.


I bought my Imiev new from interstate and the freight was $450 with Patricks from Melb to Adelaide, as an example if you are not local.
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Post by Norse » Tue, 13 May 2014, 07:33

For me by far the biggest difference I noticed between the MY10 and the MY12 was the difference in range when test driving them.

Nursed along from full charge, managed 83 km for the MY10 with 1 bar left compared to 100 km for the MY12 with 2 bars left. Could the difference have been because the MY10 hadn't had much use?

Does the MY10 have the exact same battery as the MY12 or was there an upgrade?


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Post by carnut1100 » Tue, 13 May 2014, 16:05

Highest I have measured on my 2010 was 12.9A when it was fairly low.
Drops pretty quickly and tapers down as the pack gets full.
I've charged it many times from a 10A GPO with no problems and have never tripped the circuit breaker....

AFAIK the pack is the same.
Mine had sat for a year or so, and I noticed that over the first month or so the range seemed to increase slightly.
I have found no big difference between my 2010 and Rachel's 2012 in range although I haven't done as much testing on hers as she is usually driving it....
Around where we live 80-100 is a good budget depending on heater and which route we take. We live amongst steep hills on gravel roads and in an area that gets frost and snow in winter so we are pushing range hard.
Best I've had from mine was 117km from full to turtle.
Hers seems to go a bit further on a charge but it does have better regeneration control and is not really all that much further...

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Post by Johny » Tue, 13 May 2014, 17:09

Norse wrote:Could the difference have been because the MY10 hadn't had much use?
Yes, I would think that a difference of that magnitude would be just that the pack was a fair way out of balance due to lack of use or poor charging practice.

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Post by g4qber » Wed, 14 May 2014, 08:12

2010 imiev also has auto windows, both up and down like a golf, not sure if this is on all the windows.
2011 imiev has auto down on driver's side only.
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