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Post by mikedufty » Fri, 31 Oct 2014, 18:11

If you don't necessarily need to use the electric and the petrol motor on the same trip, a two-car hybrid is now pretty practical. I just bought a second hand iMiEV for $15,000 that does all the town stuff and kept my petrol subaru for the longer trips, much cheaper than the outlander, better electric only range, and the subaru is probably better off road, just means any trips over 100km or needing 4WD will have no electric component.

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Post by offgridQLD » Fri, 31 Oct 2014, 18:46

I think that's a really good point mikedufty has made.

not trying to knock the outlander as I think as far as hybrids go its a very good one and just in general looks and feels like a nice car to drive with lots of features.

Though In some ways a hybrid is giving you the worst of both worlds.A petrol car that's lugging around ev drive components, motors , controllers, chargers, battery bank and giving you less performance and economy than if it was s straight out ICE powered car.

Then your EV (during ev mode) is pulling around a 2.2lt motor and all it's associated bits, exhaust, radiator, fuel tank full of fuel.

So it's a compromised / hampered EV and a compromised ICE car in one

The only advantage over two cars that I can see is one rego and perhaps one insurance payment less PA. $600 + $500 comprehensive or say $250 third party so potentially saving $850 $1100 pa.

Though If your a two car family/person then the choose should be clear. As mentioned one fuel efficient (perhaps 2nd hand ICE car) might only need 3rd party insurance and a nice pure battery electric run around.

We have the Imiev 25k new and a 4wd ute diesel 40k new but you could get the same for 20k 2nd hand. That 45k together about the same as a Outlander. The ute can tow 3 ton and carry anything 1000km range gives 7 - 8lt 100km about the same consumption as the out lander but when its running on fuel only but way more capable 4wd and load carrier.

2 cars is very handy for a number of reasons to. Need to carry more than 5 people, one car is having something done to it new tires or something, being able to lend a car to a mate or child.

Worth thinking about anyhow.   

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Post by Johny » Fri, 31 Oct 2014, 19:01

I go hot and cold with the Outlander PHEV.
I agree that it's not and efficient EV but it is an efficient hybrid. Folks at the festival say it gets around 7.5l/100km on a long trip which compares very favourably with their Prado which gets around 12l/100km.

I realize that there other other SUVs that do well but the 2 motor with generator setup in the Outlander appears to be more efficienct than just a petrol motor.

I'd love to know the real Wh/km for EV only mode though.

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Post by offgridQLD » Fri, 31 Oct 2014, 19:23

The prado is a fuel hog and a bigger car. Compare it to any diesle of the same size or larger and they will give simular of better fuel consumption without the hydride gear.

they list it at something like 130whr/km but that is with the ice motor helping. Put it this way it a 10.5kwh battery and you can get 50km/ ev only range from it. Then 10,500whr / 50km = 210whr/km from the battery. Now you need to charge it on average I find you need to add 25 - 30% to that (imiev using 100whr/km from the battery takes about 125 - 130whr from the wall) So 210 + 25% = 265whr km vs the Imies 130whr km

That's my best guess unless some one can come up with something better.

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Post by mikedufty » Fri, 31 Oct 2014, 20:23

Insurance is a bit cheaper in WA, $300 comprehensive on the i-MiEV, and similar for the outback. The extra rego insurance and service costs of the iMiEV still probably match the savings in fuel costs, but we'd decided we wanted a second car anyway, and its great it could be an electric one.

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Post by offgridQLD » Fri, 31 Oct 2014, 20:52

That's $300 on a 15K purchase price 2010?

I was quoting $500 for a (New old stock ) 0km 2012 insured from memory for 36k (the value they gave it). Not sure what a 2010 with .... km on the clock in QLD would be roughly. Though it could still be more in QLD

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Post by Simon » Fri, 21 Nov 2014, 21:36

Found this video today. Been curious to see some reviews of owners using it to tow. ☺

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Post by offgridQLD » Fri, 21 Nov 2014, 21:49

That's impressive. The consumption was better than I was expecting Particularly with the wind drag of a caravan at freeway speeds.

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Post by Johny » Sat, 22 Nov 2014, 03:14

Not enough information though. Out of 326 miles only 195 were towing. He also charged at the camping site and we don't know how many times. Assume alll the non caravan travel was electric.
But definitely a viable combo vehicle for those who tow every now and then.
Anyway, that aside, thanks for posting the video.
We tow a caravan and this is a contender for us.

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Post by T1 Terry » Sat, 22 Nov 2014, 13:29

The 1500kg towing limit will put it outside the average caravanner use range, most of them these days are between 2tonne and 3.5 tonne, a far cry from the early days.

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Post by g4qber » Sun, 07 Dec 2014, 15:22

drool chademo charge port.

MMA probably done an Apple.
Next gen Aus PHEV may have chademo due to customer demand.
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Post by zzcoopej » Wed, 04 Mar 2015, 13:21

mcudogs and rHills, thanks for sharing your early experience of your PHEV. I'm an iMiEV owner now thinking of trading a Honda CRV for a PHEV Aspire and I'm interested if you (or any other PHEV owners) have anything to add now that you have owned the PHEV for a year or so? Appreciate any feedback.

P.S. There is a PHEV Aspire on Carsales for $30k done 2800km, owner just dropped from $40k. If anyone in Vic is interested (too far from me in NSW) however some of the details don't stack up so it might be a SCAM listing?
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Post by mcudogs » Wed, 04 Mar 2015, 23:17

I am still very happy with my PHEV. I don't really drive much and most of it is electric. The petrol engine turns itself on every 2 months to remind me that the fuel in the tank is getting stale, so then I just top up the tank to get it to turn off again.

I tow a boat regularly and don't have any problems with towing. I have also towed a large car trailer with another car on it without problems. It has lots of power.

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Post by ZIPPIE11CAR » Tue, 31 Mar 2015, 18:57

Mike, who are you using for insurance?

I can't get under $700. RAC supports the Imiev but there's not much of a saving I can get.

I noticed you don't have the choice on there website insurance. It has all the other models but says contact them for the Imiev i.e higher cost

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Post by mikedufty » Wed, 01 Apr 2015, 06:32

Probably better discussed in this thread
viewtopic.php?title=imiev-insurance-com ... 05&start=1
But I paid $304 with RAC WA for a 2010 i-MiEV. I found the 2014 i-MiEV was selectable on the web page, so got a quote for that, then phoned to get them to fix the year, that way they still give you the online discount.
Insured value $15,000, $1000 excess ($500 base + $500 voluntary).

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