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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by rhills » Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 16:27

weber wrote:
Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:56
...When asked about warranty they said 12 months.
Que?

So that means that a replacement battery has a much shorter warranty than the one that comes with a new vehicle? Does that mean they could get away with putting cheap cells in a replacement battery module that crap themselves after 13 months?

I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with the feeble forays by mainstream ICE vehicle manufacturers into EVs. These half-hearted attempts do the EV concept more harm than good IMHO. I think it is extremely unlikely that I will buy my next vehicle from an ICE vehicle manufacturer.
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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by mikedufty » Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 20:42

So 2 or 3 weeks for a battery to arrive from Japan in Nissan-speak is 7 months? I think they use a similar shipping calculator to Mitsubishi.
Last estimate on my charger arrival in Australia was 31 August, so I will give them a call tomorrow but don't have high hopes.

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by PiMan » Sun, 02 Sep 2018, 17:33

rhills wrote:
Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 16:27
weber wrote:
Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:56
...When asked about warranty they said 12 months.
Que?

So that means that a replacement battery has a much shorter warranty than the one that comes with a new vehicle? Does that mean they could get away with putting cheap cells in a replacement battery module that crap themselves after 13 months?

I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with the feeble forays by mainstream ICE vehicle manufacturers into EVs. These half-hearted attempts do the EV concept more harm than good IMHO. I think it is extremely unlikely that I will buy my next vehicle from an ICE vehicle manufacturer.
Perhaps, but remember that warranties are not the end of the story for consumer rights. Australian Consumer Law requires that goods are of reasonable durability, and that would likely include an expectation that first party replacements and repairs are just as good as the original products.

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by alexeiw123 » Wed, 05 Sep 2018, 09:14

weber wrote:
Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:56
The new battery finally arrived from Japan and was replaced about a week ago. Hoorah! So we're back to new-car range of 130 km or more. The guessometer claimed 160 km when it left the workshop.

They couldn't tell us whether the replacement has the same old LMO chemistry or the newer NMC chemistry. When asked about warranty they said 12 months.
Fantastic news. How long did it take for the freight and install?

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by Bryce » Wed, 05 Sep 2018, 15:40

Just in passing for those looking to assess a secondhand Leaf. My 2011 Leaf has 9 bars left at 40,000km but still does 100km in summer and 80 in winter. Guess-o-meter is absolutely useless for knowing range on it though. Leaf-Spy very much more helpful.
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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by weber » Wed, 05 Sep 2018, 16:01

alexeiw123 wrote:
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Fantastic news. How long did it take for the freight and install?
About 6 months.
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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by HeadsUp » Wed, 05 Sep 2018, 18:19

weber wrote:
Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:56
The new battery finally arrived from Japan and was replaced about a week ago. Hoorah! So we're back to new-car range of 130 km or more. The guessometer claimed 160 km when it left the workshop.

They couldn't tell us whether the replacement has the same old LMO chemistry or the newer NMC chemistry. When asked about warranty they said 12 months.
I am happily astounded that a Car maker didnt try to worm their way out of warranty with every BS story under the sun.

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by Pins » Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 09:33

PiMan I agree with your sentiment around the consumer rights. I have just asked this same question of a Nissan Dealer and they advised 12 month warranty for a battery back replaced under warranty. I did write back to them and suggest that surely Nissan would want to inspire confidence in its battery technology and more importantly, help out the LEAF owners with getting a reasonable sale price on the second hand market. Pretty risky paying $20k for a used LEAF when you could be up for another $20k (price from dealer) in a few years if the battery degrades or fails! So could cost you $40k over a few years! Nuts.

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by eevblog » Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 08:11

Yes, I'm still considering an EV :o

Opinions please on this 2nd hand LEAF:
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wetheri ... 1221722933
Look like it's imported from Japan. They claim a 60 month warranty :?

Possible purchase for the business, and can claim the lot as a deduction first year.

Thanks.

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by coulomb » Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 08:38

Seems good. This would be a "Wolf" pack (per this US centric but good Used Leaf post), which is better than the original battery, but not as good as the "Lizard" pack.

Edit: and it looks like there is $500-1000 worth of cables and adapters in the boot; ask if that's included.

Edit 2: however, it's a 24 kWh battery pack, so you need to decide if that's enough for your business. There are Leaf imports with 30 kWh and even 40 kWh packs avilable, for more money of course.
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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by eevblog » Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 08:56

coulomb wrote:
Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 08:38
Seems good. This would be a "Wolf" pack (per this US centric but good Used Leaf post), which is better than the original battery, but not as good as the "Lizard" pack.

Edit: and it looks like there is $500-1000 worth of cables and adapters in the boot; ask if that's included.

Edit 2: however, it's a 24 kWh battery pack, so you need to decide if that's enough for your business. There are Leaf imports with 30 kWh and even 40 kWh packs avilable, for more money of course.
Thanks.
Wow, seems there is great variability in the packs, are people retrofitting them themselves or are these just various Nissan factory options at the time of purchase?
The dash is showing only 118km range, so it's not a lot, but more than usable for all of my uses around Sydney.
I'd prefer a bigger pack of course (if it doesn't cost too much more), but how often do these come up for sale?
I guess the question is, is it better to buy a 5+ year old LEAF with a smaller pack and pay as little as possible now and get experience with an EV, or pay more again for a used car with a bigger pack for ab it more usability :?
I'm guessing that Murphy will always ensure that no matter what pack size I get, it won't be enough for some uses.

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by eevblog » Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 13:38

Seems that imported LEAFs are thing, just this one dealer has dozens of them:
http://www.sydneycitytraders.com.au/veh ... eaf-------?
Mostly 24kW, but some 2016 30kW available at a premium, like $15k premium over a low millage 24kW 2014 !

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by coulomb » Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 20:09

eevblog wrote:
Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 08:56
Wow, seems there is great variability in the packs, are people retrofitting them themselves or are these just various Nissan factory options at the time of purchase?
The Canary/Wolf/Lizard packs are all Nissan factory supplied, not options. Nissan just found chemistries that were better at heat tolerance (but it seems that even Nissan's latest aren't all that great in the hottest climates). Various people are retrofitting, mainly with additional packs, but some are replacing cells. There was a breakthrough some months ago where the CAN packets were able to be manipulated to have the Guess-O-Meter show range appropriate for the pack size. Some do this with a "CAN in the middle" device, and others hack the firmware of the battery computer. It's getting hard to keep up with what's being achieved. (See this e-NV200 post if you are interested.)
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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by eevblog » Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 08:28

Thanks. Interesting but not surprising that people are hacking these thing to improve them. Nerds will be nerds.

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Re: 2nd Hand LEAF

Post by eevblog » Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 11:00

eevblog wrote:
Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 08:11
Opinions please on this 2nd hand LEAF:
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wetheri ... 1221722933
That one is gone. The have more coming in a few weeks, type unknown.
Anyone seen any good value LEAF's in Sydney available?
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