Controller for ADC x91- 4001 recommendation

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Post by Greg partridge » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 00:37

Can anyone with experience and knowledge in the topic of controllers recomend one that is suitable for a light weight car (Daihatsu Mira 93 2 seater) running on a ADC-X91-4001 motor? Will probably have a 96-120volt pack.

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Post by woody » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 02:03

Most common would be a Curtis 1321C which is 500Amp analogue controller.
A more modern controller is a Soliton Jr, which is digital and presumably fully adjustable in both motor and battery amps.

I think Mark Taylor is looking to upgrade his Curtis to Soliton so you may get it cheap second hand and/or a comparison drive.
Both will give up to 500amps which would be 40-50kW peak on the road, which should be heaps for a Mira.

The Curtis has a 2kHz whine/tone at low speed which some people find reassuring but others find it like fingernails on the blackboard.

The motor and battery amps are different - at lower speeds the controller acts like an electrical transformer, taking higher voltage and lower current in, and putting out lower voltage with higher current.

The other controllers available:
Zilla : high performance controller, good rep, been around about 10 years
Soliton (non-junior): high performance, good rep, local distributor
Zapi: Italian controller with Regen, PeterS has one
cougar / open revolt: open source DIY controller
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Post by Greg partridge » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 02:22

Thanks Woody

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Post by evric » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 03:39

My ADC X91-4001 is running from a ZEVA MC600S and has been for the last 2 years.
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Post by evric » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 03:51

Greg, Have you checked that the ADC X91-4001 will fit in the Mira? 'cause they are a fairly long motor.
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Post by Greg partridge » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 19:21

I just had a look, tight-dam tight. The ADC X91-4001 is 39cm long. It is very hard taking measurements with the engine gearbox still in there too.
May need to do some surgery to make it fit. Does anyone have a '93 Daihatsu Mira workshop manual. I have looked online and in shops but can't find one.

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Post by evric » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 19:23

... and don't forget to allow for the adapter plate/spacer thickness. Have you acquired the motor yet?
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Post by Greg partridge » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 19:27

How thick is the adapter plate normally? No I haven't purchased it but have one picked out.

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Post by Jeff Owen » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 19:32

Greg
I suggest you use an ADC 8 inch motor. It is shorter and has proven to be an effective choice for small cars.

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Post by evric » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 19:57

The Adapter plate thickness depends on whether you use a clutch and also where the input shaft sits in the gearbox/transaxle.

The ADC 203-06-4001 - 8" would be better as Jeff suggests.
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Post by Richo » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 20:41

I had to get mine(Handi) from some guy in the UK on CD.
http://www.daihatsu-drivers.co.uk/manuals
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Post by Richo » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 20:44

Worst case I would think is 2" for an adaptor plate Image

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Post by Greg partridge » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 21:02

Sadly not for the L200RS 1993

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Post by evric » Tue, 29 Jan 2013, 22:37

Quote Greg: ...May need to do some surgery to make it fit... /Quote
Be careful - the engineers don't like modifications to the engine bay structure.
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Post by Greg partridge » Wed, 30 Jan 2013, 02:00

Thanks Richo, brought a copy from them

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Post by Greg partridge » Wed, 30 Jan 2013, 21:42

OK, got my measurements, 394mm from the edge of the gearbox bell housing to the nearest part of the inside of the guard. As the ADC motor is 390mm and the adapter plate is 12mm, that is a 8mm shortfall Image .

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Post by Greg partridge » Wed, 30 Jan 2013, 21:44

Option 1: surgery to the inside of the guard.
Option 2: different motor.
Option 3: any ideas?

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Post by Richo » Thu, 31 Jan 2013, 21:10

Worse - 389mm is just the main body.
Then you have the shaft for and extra ~75mm.
Some of the shaft would be in the bell housing.

Interestingly the Handi has a hole in the engine bay wall where the crank shaft is - presumably to get a socket on it from behind the driver side wheel.
This hole is on the same line as the gearbox shaft.
Maybe the Mira has one too that the rear shaft could poke through.

The ME0913 (~30kW) would be the next step down.
A lot of fiddling but get another short axle and use 2 x ME0913 on a chain reduction drive.
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Post by Johny » Thu, 31 Jan 2013, 21:20

Greg partridge wrote:Option 3: any ideas?
Is it possible the lengthen one axle, shorten the other and move the whole transmission/motor over 100mm?

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Post by Greg partridge » Thu, 31 Jan 2013, 21:40

Richo,
I thought all of the motor shaft was inside the adapter plate and bell housing. Is there also a end plate on the ADC that can be machined down a few mm? Can the shaft be shortened ?

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Post by Canberra32 » Fri, 01 Feb 2013, 00:34

Provided there is space between the guard and the upright surgery is fine.
Stay away from where the engine mounts are and there not really an issue as the engine bay tinware is not so structural.
The crossmember, engine mounts and shock towers take most of the loads.
Just pay attention to the load directions.
Only two rules would be

1: give your self 20-30 play
2: make sure the tinware you weld back in is welded all the way round and linished neat.

If it looks like you know exactly what you are doing then the engineer will be less likely to have an issue.

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Post by Richo » Fri, 01 Feb 2013, 20:51

There is a section of shaft sticking out the back of the motor.
Well according to the diagrams I saw anyway.
This could be machined off.

The front shaft can really only go as far as the flywheel.
Best case would be a few mm away from the gearbox shaft but usu only achievable if you don't use the clutch.
The rest of the clutch assembly sits on the gearbox shaft.
So it really depends on how long the gearbox shaft is.
The gearbox shaft can't be shortened and keep the clutch.

The adaptor plate is the required thickness to get the flywheel in the right place.
You may be lucky as the X91-4001 front shaft is only 30mm long.

So still leaves you with ~10mm to get from somewhere.

Maybe ask evworks to see if they can get a smaller Kostov motor (171mm frame)
Even the 9" Kostov is about 350mm Long and is about the same price as the X91-4001.
That'll save 40mm.
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