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Post by markrmarkr » Wed, 16 Mar 2011, 19:49

I think a lot of people are in a similar situation to me when I say “the biggest hurdle for me to start an electric car build is convincing my partner that it's a good idea”.

I didn't find much help when I searched, at least not in a structured, able to be presented manor. So I thought maybe it would be a good idea if I aired my successes and failures and got some feedback from others. Maybe this could all lead to a proper “Howto” document.   But even if it doesn't go anywhere much, maybe a few people will benefit from it and I think that's got to be worth it.

The car I want to do is a Late 90's Subaru Impreza 144V 17.5KWh Lithium, AC, with Aircon, and 5 seats. I'm expecting to see no change from $20,000.

Here are some of my success and failures:
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Talk about saving the planet doesn't get me very far.
     Her:    We are doing our bit. We have a PV array on the roof.

The price of fuel didn't do any good either –
     Her:    When the price goes up to an unbearable point we will worry about
               it then.
     Me:     But honey when that happens everyone will want to do it, and it    
               will be too expensive.
     Her:    No. Economy of scale will kick in, and it will be cheaper.

I produce a spreadsheet which shows that the car will pay for itself (when compared to the car we currently have) after 5-6 years, making reasonable assumptions about mileage and repair costs.
     Her:    but by then the Subaru will be a 20 year old Sh!t box and worth
               nothing. It'll be an old car the first day its on the road. And
               I like our car it has air-bags and ABS, and it's comfortable. This
               electric car will be small and unsafe.

Surprisingly the argument which seemed to work the best makes the least sense to me – We can use the cars batteries to store off peak power and then run our house from the batteries during peak time. Saving the difference between the peak and off peak rates: 31.46 cents per Kwh.
     Her:    Would we be able to sell some power back to the Electricity
               Company, the way we are with the Solar energy.
     Me:     It's possible but unlikely. It would definitely cut our power
               bill during the peak part of the day though.
     Her:    Wouldn't we get 66c per Kwh if we used the Solar inverter. (Gross
               feed in tariff through Origin). We wouldn't need to buy an nverter
               then either.
     Me:     That's true, but it would be illegal to do it that way.
     Her:    Still it's an interesting thought.
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Post by Johny » Wed, 16 Mar 2011, 20:11

Interesting read.
I had it easy. My other half loved the Vogue and wanted to see it back on the road.
You could have knocked me over with a feather when she agreed to this current path.

I'd keep the clutch and lighten the flywheel - just from what I've read about clutchless gear changes.

Make sure you have you whole hearted support before you start. It's not an easy road (no pun). Can't think of anything that would help - sorry - but you're doing fine so far. Image

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Post by evric » Wed, 16 Mar 2011, 20:25

What gear changes ? - I leave mine in 3rd gear, start off from there and drive all day. If I go faster than 60Km/hr I may change into 4th gear, which is a cinch - no problem.
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Post by Richo » Wed, 16 Mar 2011, 20:53

Argument1:
There was a good french (in English) mocumentary on SBS 1-2 years ago.
It showed what happened when oil "dried up".
Government embargo's were put in place.
Most people were left riding a bike or walking.
Economy was crippled.
People turned to crime.
Nothing like shocking people with a possible future.
Waiting until then will be too late.

Argument2:
Ask her what would make a resonable eV conversion donor.
Get the foot in the door.

Argument3:
Agree would work but is not so practical.
1. the car would be flat when you want to drive it.
2. The return doesn't cover the $$/cycles until electriciy feed in tariffs are much higher.
3. Solar Inverter may not work with DC battery bank if it has MPPT feature.
4. Useful if you go on holiday and leave the eV to cycle
So the short answer is NO but the long answer is YES.
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Post by EV2Go » Wed, 16 Mar 2011, 21:12

My solution to the diffacult EV conversation was easy... I was single at the time, for those of you who are currently with partner, easy... have an arguement about something non EV related, break up and get back together. When she asks why you are building an EV simply tell her you made the decision while you were single Image
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Post by gmacd33 » Wed, 16 Mar 2011, 21:50

You could just say that it's something you really want to do, because you will enjoy the challenge etc of doing it.

I like Richo's suggestion of getting her advice, making her feel like she is involved, so she doesn't feel like "it's taking you away from her"

BTW if AC stands for Alternating Current, you might need more than $20k. If it stands for Air Conditioning - what motor are you planning?
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Post by a4x4kiwi » Wed, 16 Mar 2011, 23:09

another suggestion, watch 'who killed the electric car' together.
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Post by Richo » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 00:36

The AC stands for "AC50/Curtis1238".
17.5kWh of lithium would suggest a total build of more than $20k anyway.
So the short answer is NO but the long answer is YES.
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Post by markrmarkr » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 01:28

If I can keep it down to close to $20K I'll be over the moon. Curtis is coming out with a 144V version of the 1238 soon.

I actually tried the asking her opinion approach. Unfortunately she wants something the size of a ford falcon or bigger, With aircon, ABS, and Airbags.   Image There goes the budget. .

I can actually do the conversion my way and will be very soon now, but it's going to cost me.

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Post by markrmarkr » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 01:32

Who killed the electric car is inspiring stuff I take it. I keep hearing about that movie - maybe it's worth a try.

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Post by Thalass » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 08:46

Richo: Is that the one where at the end one of the guys (an oil futures trader prior to the crisis) is driving his hummer around, behind a pair of large horses? That was hilarious.

I'm not sure how i got my missus to agree originally. She may have watched Who Killed The Electric Car with my brother and i, but i forget now. But she does seem to be a lot more enthusiastic now that i'm doing a motorcycle (~$5000) rather than the 2 motor AC brumby i wanted to do. (~$20-30k)

I think partly she just wants me to shut up about it and do it. hahaha!
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Post by PlanB » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 14:18

Serial offenders.
Building EVs is like kit aircraft I reckon, only harder in that there are'nt any kits. Half the kit aeroplanes purchased end up for sale 12 months later in various stages of completion. Meanwhile, a select bunch of hard cores with the right disposition & skill set, build one after another.

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Post by Johny » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 14:27

markrmarkr wrote: Who killed the electric car is inspiring stuff I take it. I keep hearing about that movie - maybe it's worth a try.
I actually didn't see it until about a year ago. VERY worthwhile viewing for anyone who reads this forum.

The other videos I can think of are the 12 or so minute episodes of "Fully Charged" on youtube. Maybe vet them in advance so you are not selling the idea of waiting for a commercial EV.

The most recent one the Geneva motor show doesn't help much but there are some inspirational ones earlier on.

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Post by Richo » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 21:00

Thalass wrote: Richo: Is that the one where at the end one of the guys (an oil futures trader prior to the crisis) is driving his hummer around, behind a pair of large horses? That was hilarious.


Yep that's the one!
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Post by T1 Terry » Thu, 17 Mar 2011, 22:56

Richo wrote:
Thalass wrote: Richo: Is that the one where at the end one of the guys (an oil futures trader prior to the crisis) is driving his hummer around, behind a pair of large horses? That was hilarious.


Yep that's the one!

I remember that but it was more than a couple of years ago. what was the name of it?

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Post by Richo » Fri, 18 Mar 2011, 20:50

My how times flys.
Dunno what it was called.
SBS was having a feature week showing all these short "future" mocumantaries.
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Post by Johny » Fri, 18 Mar 2011, 20:59

Richo wrote:Dunno what it was called.
It was called "Crude Impact" and screened in April 2007.
It's available on DVD here and there. I've never seen it though.

Not a contender for convincing other-half by the sound of it.

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Post by T1 Terry » Fri, 18 Mar 2011, 21:39

I Googled Crude Impact and that's not the film I'm thinking of, this one was more of a story type drama.

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Post by Canberra32 » Fri, 15 Jun 2012, 01:37

Mmm it was odd for me...
She pushed the idea...
I thought what's her angle.
Turns out I get crazy when my brain is no occupied lol.
Don't care will take it :)

Current full green self sustaining house not as easy to convince lol
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Post by Richo » Fri, 15 Jun 2012, 20:53

Actually the one I was thinking of was "2013: Oil no more"

"More than 80% of the global economy relies on petroleum. What would happen if the world's oil supply dried up overnight? 2013: Oil No More is a doco-drama based on the idea that oil companies, having vastly overstated their oil reserves to keep their value high, are faced with a wave of terrorist attacks aimed at jeopardising oil supplies to the West. Reluctantly, they have to own up with the fact there's only two years of supply left. Stockbroker Paul, having invested 90% of his company's shares in oil, watches with glee as the price of petrol skyrockets, until his professional and personal life are directly affected as a disastrous recession takes hold of the oil-dependent world. (From France, in French, English subtitles) (Documentary) M CC WS"

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Post by Richo » Fri, 15 Jun 2012, 20:55

Hey only took me a year and a bit to remember Image
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Post by jonescg » Fri, 15 Jun 2012, 22:14

My lovely wife had been hinting that maybe we should get a car.

We are a two-ebike, two-pushbike, two-motorbike, one e-motorbike household.

I refuse to get a car since we don't really need one, and we've done fine without one for so long. However, I said OK, we can get a car, but only one I can convert to electric.

She agreed, and included in the fine print was that it had to be a Gen 2 1989 Honda CRX. Conversion won't happen for another year or more though.
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Post by antiscab » Sat, 16 Jun 2012, 22:13

Richo wrote:
3. Solar Inverter may not work with DC battery bank if it has MPPT feature.


Most will work fine, they will just go to maximum output and stop doing MPPT.

They are all designed to limit power output in the event of an edge of cloud effect which can easily double a solar arrays output for a while

The better inverters will lower the power output further based upon temperature of gates and caps

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Post by T1 Terry » Sun, 17 Jun 2012, 03:45

Thanks Richo, that was it, now to find a copy.

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Post by acmotor » Sun, 17 Jun 2012, 05:28

As EVs get bigger with more range the battery kWh goes up and the director of household budgets raises eyebrow when 10A then 15 A then 32A circuits are required.
There is something to be said for planning recharge to be a full 10 hours of off peak power and off a 10A power point. So sub 24kWh.

A suggestion that worked well with hunter gatherer was to design house with drive through kitchen (EV access, no oil drip or fumes) for unloading after shopping. Strangely well received so take note. Image
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