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Hi All,

On Wednesday 21-Oct-09, a group of us from AEVA headed on down to the
Western Sydney International Dragway.

Mark took his car, the EClubman and Jon took his electric bike.

Much drag racing took place, and in the end mark's best time down the
track was 16.865 seconds.

Since no one else in Aus has been down the drag strip in an EV (in any
sort of official sense) that makes 16.865 seconds the new record. Woo
Hoo!

Of course, if you have been down and Australian drag strip in an EV,
I'd love to hear about it.

So Aussies, 16.8 seconds is not really all that fast. It leaves plenty
of room for improvement, so lets see what we can do.
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So if you think you can beat the record or would just like to try out your road registered EV on the track.
On most Wednesday nights Western Sydney International Dragway holds race for real nights.You will need a helmet that meets Australian Standard AS/NZS 1698:2006 and carries the ‘5 ticks’ label / decal.
There is power available 240 10 amp outlets, plenty to choose from.


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so have they changed the rules?

I wanted to take my old bike to the wednesday night drags, but was informed that I'd have to comply with the full EV drag racing regs (including mechanical disconnects, 1/4" thick alloy chain guard(!!), plasma shields on the motor, etc, etc, etc!) even though it was street registered.

I ran it 'round a circuit instead :)

Congrats to Mark for the record!
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if it is street registered it is able to be raced. If you would like to come out, do so.
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That'll have to wait till the next bike is finished, then I'll be there for sure :)

I spent quite a while on the phone to various people who all told me I definitely couldn't run it...
It's a pity, because I would have held the record until now!
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what can i say.... bring out the new one and have fun
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Hi Ant,
have you got the full results? (60' 200m, 400m times & speeds)
Also the weights of the cars would be fun for my spreadsheet :-)
It's a bit sad when I say "fun" and "spreadsheet" in the same sentence :-(

I really have to get the Cortina ICE registered, I think it will be cruisy at the drags, we have a 1200, and the 1500 did 21.5 for 400m...


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I still reakon my bike qualifies as an EV with it's AC powered starter motor. Last Wednesday night I ran a 10.93 and 137.05 mph I say that's the bench mark Image
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If you can did it without the fuel tank :) you can be the fastest EV bike
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But some of the e-bikes have fuel tanks Image now if you had said... didn't require an engine as the primary source of power to run that would be a whole different story Image (sorry hybrids)

I think the regulations are one of the greatest aspects of drag racing, while there are rules they will always be people who try to bend them.

This necessitates creativity which goes hand in hand with EVs, so really drag racing and EV were made for each other.
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Hmmm looks up wikipedia Image


The usage of the term "Engine"
Originally an engine was a mechanical device that converted force into motion. Military devices such as catapults are referred to as siege engines. The term "gin" as in cotton gin is recognised as a short form of the Old French word engin, in turn from the Latin ingenium, related to ingenious. Most devices used in the industrial revolution were referred to as an engine, and this is where the steam engine gained its name.

In more modern usage, the term is used to describe devices that perform mechanical work, follow-ons to the original steam engine. In most cases the work is supplied by exerting a torque, which is used to operate other machinery, generate electricity, pump water, or compress gas. In the context of propulsion systems, an air-breathing engine is one that uses atmospheric air to oxidise the fuel carried rather than supplying an independent oxidizer, as in a rocket.

The term is often used in computer science, designating such software as the "search engine", "3-D graphics game engine", "rendering engine" and "text-to-speech engine", even though these "engines" are not physically mechanical and cause only virtual action (this usage may have been derived from the "difference engine", an early mechanical computing device

Still wanna see you do it without your fuel tank Image

you can keep the engine, you'll need something to hold starter motor in place.

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spot the tank Image seriously though I think real EV competition is a great idea it drives inovation.

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good luck winning a race on that :P
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I also think that an EV only racing association is a good idea. It'll offer a lot of incentive to join when everyone else with their gas-powered cars see how well these EV's accelerate due to their tremendous torque, that's why I want to make my own EV too.
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Carlton while your idea is sound your reasoning is not, by the standards of most people who drag race EVs move like glaciers. Last Wenesday night I ran a 10.731 @ 138.48 mph (222.87 km/hr) and expect to knock off a few more tenths this Wednesday.

While I'm not knocking the acceleration capabilities of an EV they have a long way to go before being considered a serious race threat to anything petrol powered.

But an association where people run against only other EV's (or hybrids in electric only mode) is a great idea. Competition amongst other EVs will drive progress.
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Hi all,

Planning the next outing on Wednesday night the second of December.

So let's see how many EV's we can get out for the night   [8D
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hmm... thats weird because I heard of a racer who has around 600lb-ft of torque and 100hp, in which he destroys Corvettes, BMW M3's, Maserati's, etc.   His name is John "Plasma Boy" Wayland. He drives an EV converted 70's Datsun.
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100hp is not a lot, no matter which way you look at it.

An EV can make better use of its power than an ICE car, but in the end you need power to accelerate a mass.
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Carlton wrote: hmm... thats weird because I heard of a racer who has around 600lb-ft of torque and 100hp, in which he destroys Corvettes, BMW M3's, Maserati's, etc.   His name is John "Plasma Boy" Wayland. He drives an EV converted 70's Datsun.
I think you're missing a few zeros in your numbers.

I think Plasma boy's got down to 12 secs, which is bloody quick for a road - legal car.

But I think he has a lot more than 100hp (peak). 2000 amps * 200V = 400kW of electrical power, so at the very least 200kW of road power.

You can do the sums of how much average power is required to accellerate a car of a certain weight to a certain speed in a certain time, which I think will show an average of >150kW.

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I think the numbers are something like 11.4 on A123's and 11.8 on a huge bank of SLA. The thing you are missing here Carlton is the crappy millage he gets per charge (something like 24 miles per charge) he wouldn't even get to the drags if it wasn't a trailered there making it a "trailer queen" there are a lot of street cars that can make it to the drags under their own power and run a 11.4.

We are a long way off the kind of battery technology that will allow an EV to drive to the drags under it's own power and run an 11.4. I know that day will one day come but currently the only cars that are going to get there and run a pass are likely to be more like 17 second cars.
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ouch....17 sec EV's? How somewhat depressing.   Image
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Claudio is the new 2nd Fastest EV Drag racer in OZ!

Wednesday Night Race for Real is some mediocre video I took on the night.


Lots of fun watching, I'll be taking the Cortina soon for a "Before conversion" 400m time.

This was all at Western Sydney Internation Dragway.

I didn't video all their runs, and had to go before the end, so Mark may have improved on his 16.8 from last time.

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Edit to nothing. Now redundant. Also, it now duplicates what Woody has above.
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Mark has improved, Its now 16.79 at 115.3 Kph

Claudio did 18.47 at 118.99 Kph



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Good to see some EV's on the track. Whats the specifications of these EV's?
What controller, Voltage, batteries?
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Nice! I might even bother to go down to Kwinana if there were electric drags on.
I'll drive an electric vehicle one day.
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