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Post by antiscab » Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 00:03

Hi Maximus,

the battery performance you have described seems consistent with every 16 cell LiFePO4 pack ive every used.
May i ask what capacity measurement equipment you are using to work how the batteries real capacity? (Ah counter?)

perhaps more information on your setup?

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Post by maximus-racing » Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 00:17

jackhyq wrote: I know it is hard to solve for you ,
It seems it is not as hard for you Image
jackhyq wrote: from my personal ,it is warmhearted and sincere to do business with you
Of course, I will make business again with a coompany that sells me bad packs and doens't take responsabilities Image
jackhyq wrote: ,but other situation i can't control ,i hope you can understand that ,ok ?
The client that make his lawyer send me injunction didn't understand anything except being repaid, "i hope you can understand that" Image
jackhyq wrote: do you remmeber that Last time actually i had tried my best to replace new packs to you freely and shipping to you freely .

Of course I remember !!! Do YOU remember my last mail to you from the august 7# where I show you a 36V replacement pack sent "freely" that only gives 16.26 volts whith cells at 0.00 volt ???
Do you want me to post the pics here ???
The above 48V pack is also a "replacement pack"...
I will have to repaid these clients....

I hate being forced to "unpack" these problems on public place...
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Post by maximus-racing » Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 00:50

antiscab wrote: Hi Maximus,
the battery performance you have described seems consistent with every 16 cell LiFePO4 pack ive every used.
May i ask what capacity measurement equipment you are using to work how the batteries real capacity? (Ah counter?)
perhaps more information on your setup?
regards,
Matt

Hi Matt, I have unpacked some packs Image trying to make one good pack with some bad packs.
I had individualy charged some cells that appeared to be good (3.15V) and discharged them with a CBA.
The cells are HPPF8081230 from Huanyu, they are supposed to give 10Ah...only 6.4ah given by the CBA and 6.6Ah by the charger.
They were supposed to be NEW cells on new pack.
It is why I am so angry !!!
I get replacement packs, send them immediatly to client's that tell me the pack are dead after one run Image....
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Post by jackhyq » Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 00:51

maximus-racing wrote:
jackhyq wrote: I know it is hard to solve for you ,
It seems it is not as hard for you Image
jackhyq wrote: from my personal ,it is warmhearted and sincere to do business with you
Of course, I will make business again with a coompany that sells me bad packs and doens't take responsabilities Image
jackhyq wrote: ,but other situation i can't control ,i hope you can understand that ,ok ?
The client that make his lawyer send me injunction didn't understand anything except being repaid, "i hope you can understand that" Image
jackhyq wrote: do you remmeber that Last time actually i had tried my best to replace new packs to you freely and shipping to you freely .

Of course I remember !!! Do YOU remember my last mail to you from the august 7# where I show you a 36V replacement pack sent "freely" that only gives 16.26 volts whith cells at 0.00 volt ???
Do you want me to post the pics here ???
The above 48V pack is also a "replacement pack"...
I will have to repaid these clients....

I hate being forced to "unpack" these problems on public place...
Regards
Maximus


{36V replacement pack sent "freely" that only gives 16.26 volts whith cells at 0.00 volt ??? The above 48V pack is also a "replacement pack"...I will have to repaid these clients.... }
---Not all problems belongs to the factory ,ok ? i don't know what's the real problems about that because we don't check in the local,i just to say that : before the packs sent out ,the warehouse check the voltage and others carefully,and it is replace pack, after you get that and use for the time ,you say no voltage ,how can i or the company believe ? if you stand on my point , the company believe me or just pictures to prove that problems belongs to factory ? i don't want to pass the buck actually .Although you don't want to do any business with us from now , it is unnecessary to do this way that spam your news on the net everywhere,and i had informed the nets that you had spam to remain the rights.

{The client that make his lawyer send me injunction didn't understand anything except being repaid, "i hope you can understand that" }
---we replace new packs to you ,of course we had afford some cost too.
we don't want to cheat anyone ,just based on matual benefit and good faith to face everyone or clients.
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Post by maximus-racing » Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 05:24

jackhyq wrote: {36V replacement pack sent "freely" that only gives 16.26 volts whith cells at 0.00 volt ??? The above 48V pack is also a "replacement pack"...I will have to repaid these clients.... }
---Not all problems belongs to the factory ,ok ? i don't know what's the real problems about that because we don't check in the local,i just to say that : before the packs sent out ,the warehouse check the voltage and others carefully,and it is replace pack, after you get that and use for the time ,you say no voltage ,how can i or the company believe ? if you stand on my point , the company believe me or just pictures to prove that problems belongs to factory ? i don't want to pass the buck actually .Although you don't want to do any business with us from now , it is unnecessary to do this way that spam your news on the net everywhere,and i had informed the nets that you had spam to remain the rights.

{The client that make his lawyer send me injunction didn't understand anything except being repaid, "i hope you can understand that" }
---we replace new packs to you ,of course we had afford some cost too.
we don't want to cheat anyone ,just based on matual benefit and good faith to face everyone or clients.

Let me tell show you the discharge curves of the last 36V pack you have sent me in replacement (metal box)
Image
As you can see, even when the pack is "fully charged" the BMS cuts after very short time when at least one cell drops to 2.5V...
Even with external direct charge of all elements, the pack cannot deliver more than 1Ah (supposed 10Ah)
You can now see on this following pic some parts of defective packs that I don't have still thrown
Image

You can see 4 BMS....it means I need 4 replacement packs !!!
2 packs 48V/10Ah, one 48V/20Ah, and one 36V/10Ah...
I can of course show here the claiming emails of their owners....

You are telling me again "we replace new packs to you"...yeah !
I want to trust you, just tell me "when" ????
And I will give you direct addresses of the clients unsatisfied clients..
When they will get them, I will cry everywhere how PONILION is a reliable company and delete all bad opinions
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Post by jackhyq » Mon, 31 Aug 2009, 18:24

Until now ,i am still trying,
as to "when", i can't tell exact time sheet.
From my personal ,it is so less chance now.
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Post by maximus-racing » Tue, 01 Sep 2009, 00:46

Cool, new pack failing...one again :s

de :     "i. cysique" <i.cysique@free.fr>      
à :     "MAXIMUS-RC" <maximus-rc@orange.fr>
date :     31/08/09 10:18
objet :     Batterie 24v 20ah
From: "i. cysique" <i.cysique@free.fr>
To: "MAXIMUS-RC" <maximus-rc@orange.fr>
Subject: Batterie 24v 20ah
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:17:37 +0200
Salut Maximus, mauvaise nouvelle, la batterie a laché!
Au voltmètre, j'ai 12v après une charge.
Comment procède t-on ?
Peux-tu me l'échanger ?
Merci Isma

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Post by Richo » Tue, 01 Sep 2009, 06:14

jackhyq wrote:Until now ,i am still trying,
as to "when", i can't tell exact time sheet.
From my personal ,it is so less chance now.

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Would you believe someone who can't even bother to keep their website running.
So the short answer is NO but the long answer is YES.
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Post by maximus-racing » Tue, 01 Sep 2009, 08:18

My purpose is not to criticize this one or that one, but just to have a reliable supplier that takes its responsibilities in case of problems, as the "Law" requires to me in France...
Maximus

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Post by maximus-racing » Fri, 04 Sep 2009, 07:47

One again !!!
translation and original email...
      I bought a battery for my VAE that you have delivered in the month of December 2009. As I waited almost three months, I had meanwhile handed the bike unattended, and continued after received my battery, so that I rarely used my pack (5 or 6 times) However the return of summer vacation, I wanted to use it again but it would not work: the charger the led remains green as if the package was loaded, while the voltmeter indicates voltage 3.6 volts. (instead of 36) I had the same problem during the delivery of the battery, and you were reached above, following the manufacturer's advice. How can we make use of the warranty (which was two years): repair or replacement? In advance thank you for your reply Best regards Jacques Pinot


à :     "> MAXIMUS-RC (par Internet)" <maximus-rc@orange.fr>
date :     03/09/09 17:36
objet :     problème de batterie
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:36:52 +0200
From: "PINOT Jacques - DDEA 06/SML/PIML"
<Jacques.Pinot@equipement-agriculture.gouv.fr>
To: "> MAXIMUS-RC (par Internet)" <maximus-rc@orange.fr>
J'ai acheté une batterie pour mon VAE que vous m'avez livré au mois de
décembre 2009. Comme je l'avais attendu près de trois mois, je m'étais
entre temps remis au vélo sans assistance, et j'ai continué après avoir
reçu ma batterie, ce qui fait que j'ai très peu utilisé mon pack (5 ou 6
fois)
Cependant au retour des vacances d'été, j'ai voulu l'utiliser à nouveau,
mais il n'a pas voulu fonctionner: la led du chargeur reste verte comme
si le pack était chargé, alors que le voltmètre indique une tension de
3,6 volts. (au lieu de 36)
J'avais eu le même problème lors de la livraison de la batterie, et vous
étiez intervenu dessus, suivant les conseils du fabricant.
Comment peut on faire application de la garantie (qui était de deux
ans): réparation ou remplacement?

D'avance merci pour voter réponse,

Cordialement

Jacques Pinot

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Post by jackhyq » Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 23:37

i don't know how to explain now !
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Post by HeadsUp » Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 23:45


its just a spelling problem

contact www.Poni-lying

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Post by jackhyq » Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 23:48

HeadsUp wrote:
its just a spelling problem

contact www.Poni-lying


What do you mean? is it joking ? about your special spelling problem?
you mean i am lying or i am a lier??? what do you based on ?


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Post by jackhyq » Tue, 17 Nov 2009, 23:55

[quote="HeadsUp"]
its just a spelling problem

contact www.Poni-lying [/QUOT]

Headsup, it is series.Not joking ,ok ?
You mean am i lying or a liner ?
What do you based on ?

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Post by HeadsUp » Wed, 18 Nov 2009, 00:06

jackhyq wrote:
HeadsUp wrote:
its just a spelling problem

contact www.Poni-lying [/QUOT]

Headsup, it is series.Not joking ,ok ?
You mean am i lying or a liner ?
What do you based on ?


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Post by jackhyq » Wed, 18 Nov 2009, 00:19

if you know the chinese ,why you don't know say directly ?
Please don't use any chinese words .

i had said that i had replace the news to them. And now we just offer the cells to the clients inorder to reduce this kind of issue.why i can't sell the produts to France or Europe or Australia .

You don't buy from our company at all ,i think no any truth from you ,and no right of speech and judgement,what do you meaning or want to do ?

I believe that the clients had bought the cells from us had known the truth about the service and quality.
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Post by jackhyq » Wed, 18 Nov 2009, 00:23

jackhyq wrote: if you know the chinese ,why you don't know say directly ?
Please don't use any chinese words .

i had said that i had replace the news to them. And now we just offer the cells to the clients inorder to reduce this kind of issue.why i can't sell the produts to France or Europe or Australia .

You don't buy from our company at all ,i think no any truth from you ,and no right of speech and judgement,what do you meaning or want to do ?

I believe that the clients had bought the cells from us had known the truth about the service and quality.
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Post by Richo » Wed, 18 Nov 2009, 16:58

HeadsUp wrote:
its just a spelling problem

contact www.Poni-lying


well you can't use the other website (www.ponilion.cn) as it doesn't exist.
So the short answer is NO but the long answer is YES.
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Post by jackhyq » Wed, 18 Nov 2009, 21:26

Richo wrote:
HeadsUp wrote:
its just a spelling problem

contact www.Poni-lying


well you can't use the other website (www.ponilion.cn) as it doesn't exist.



I had modify my signature "Ponilion.cn" is still for Chinese Government's ICP recorder too ,there is replace website address:http://unoncom.l34.goodnic.net , you can try it,ok ?
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