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electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 21:24
by shaynh
Can some please explain why this article premiss is wrong
https://www.newstarget.com/2019-04-24-e ... icles.html

Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 22:01
by antiscab
The study theyre referencing is not available......

At best theyre overestimating the energy required for resource extraction and are hiding their methodology to prevent peer review

Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 22:06
by brendon_m
https://youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM



[ Edited Coulomb: added [tube] tags. ]

Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 22:13
by jonescg
There was a really good summary as to why the findings were flawed here:
https://chargedevs.com/newswire/here-we ... -than-evs/

Basically they took the worst case scenario for every element of the EV manufacturing and operational life cycle and assumed a 150,000 km complete life (about half that of most ICE vehicles). Not just any EV, but the log range Tesla Model 3, which is about 30 % lossier than say, an Ioniq. They then compared it to one of the most fuel efficient diesels on the planet - The Merc C220. In effect they stretched every possible number out where they could, and found a few cases where the EV came out second best. Then treated that situation as normal.

Pretty ordinary work, really.

Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Sun, 28 Apr 2019, 17:30
by reecho

Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Mon, 29 Apr 2019, 12:48
by Richo
shaynh wrote:
Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 21:24
please explain why this article premise is wrong
Well firstly - where are they going to get Diesel?
Start melting down some Dinosoursuses now...

Secondly - Germany the trend setter in renewable energy but only compare the energy supply from coal ?!?
Not that they are manufacturing the batteries there...
I thought the Gigafactory was covered in solar...

Oh wait it is.
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Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Wed, 12 Jun 2019, 10:56
by bladecar
I'm on your side :) but when I went to download the photo of the gigafactory because it looks very good, the offered file name included walmart :)

Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Wed, 12 Jun 2019, 12:41
by Richo
Ahhh you got me :oops:

Not really Tesla
https://lyra-kdf.net/solarcitys-gigafac ... nvestment/

No doubt on this one
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Re: electric cars are DIRTIER for the planet than diesel vehicles

Posted: Fri, 28 Jun 2019, 00:16
by Lancer21
Eh, Elon Musk did get the right idea with the Tesla: on one hand, it's an electric car so it's surfing on the "green" wave, and on the other one, it's a self-driving one, which is quite the trend (I mean, other markets are even studying "how self-driving cars will change the property market", since they're THAT sure that it's going to become the norm); as a result, even if we've heard about Tesla's poor financial performances and all of that jazz, there's still more and more Teslas being sold.