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Post by Gabz » Mon, 28 Oct 2013, 02:08

Continuation of the EV Highway Perth to Augusta to where-ever except with a better title.

As part of the Smart grid smart city funding and reports. ausgrid commissioned 6 Chademo fast chargers at least 3 are publicly accessible. More details in report

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Westfield Hornsby

Westfield Tuggerah (66km from hornsby)

Council oval Morriset (27km from tuggerah 91km from Hornsby)

I've uploaded pictures of the morriset and tuggerah ones, and the guys from the leaf owners forum promised me pics of hornsby.

What's wrong with this network is that it's better place and noone knows who now owns the charging stations.

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Post by Gabz » Mon, 28 Oct 2013, 03:23

Installation manual

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Model number (morriset)

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Error log (tuggerah) you can access by pressing the 1st and 3rd buttons (see manual)

fault comms with ac/dc converter means it probably just needs a reboot.
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Post by coulomb » Mon, 28 Oct 2013, 13:50

Just guessing wildly here, but to me those errors might have resulted merely by someone hitting the Big Red Switch (TM) - emergency stop.

This would open every significant contactor, which might cause the errors in communications to the two AC-DC converters.

So maybe there is a way of just clearing the errors, so the unit will work again with no further action?

BTW, I suspect that soon after one of these units is repaired and gets used, the electricity company will notice that it is using power without the bills being paid, and will disconnect it. They possibly don't bother disconnecting when a premises is vacated, so to speak, since typically the power draw will be negligible anyway.

Actually, a few fast charges at a few dollars of electricity may well not be enough to trigger a disconnection, so maybe these will typically keep their power, possibly for years, or until the bill gets to say $100.
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Post by Gabz » Mon, 28 Oct 2013, 14:28

it looks like the PLC talks to the ac/dc convert by a serial link so maybe that's just timed out.

maybe that's when we'll work out who owns them when the electricity bill gets noticed

does anyone in the forum have a better place rfid tag ?

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Post by Johny » Mon, 28 Oct 2013, 16:39

Better Place's liquidators are still trying to sell off various arms of the business as intact concerns. It's somehow still tied up in the Israeli court. IMO It'll be a while before they inevitably get around to breaking up the business and selling off what they can.
We can just hope that access to the hardware is still not lost by that time (keys, codes) and that it doesn't just get junked.

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Post by PlanB » Mon, 28 Oct 2013, 17:04

The Westfield Hornsby unit had 4 fault codes also, 2 in red & 2 green. Someone reset the big red button on the side but the unit has a cellular phone antenna on the top & my hunch is it's trying to phone home. What a shame fast chargers aren't ships, we could claim salvage rights.

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Post by marty11 » Mon, 28 Oct 2013, 22:01

hi everyone!

Well that got my attention. (Sydney to Newcastle M1 (F3)

I have a Volt, and am keen to charge anywhere like Westfield Tuggerah or Newcastle.

I live sometimes at Blue Bay (near The Entrance) and Tuggerah is about half an hour away (maybe 20 minutes) so even a 240 Volt power point would do.

I also have friends and family in Sydney, so would want to charge up at their place (No problem there).

My attitude to friends and family is pay them per KWhour used, or donate to charity if they wont accept.

Fast charging wont work for the Volt, so any old power point will do. That is what I use at present.   

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Post by Gabz » Tue, 29 Oct 2013, 02:42

coulomb wrote:
So maybe there is a way of just clearing the errors, so the unit will work again with no further action?


we've discovered the CB which is open which is most likely causing the error the next question is yes will it work without a better place RFID tag or without a better place server to talk to.

and the 3rd question of if it works how do we cover the e-stop avoid having to reset set it every time.

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Post by coulomb » Tue, 29 Oct 2013, 03:17

Gabz wrote: if it works how do we cover the e-stop avoid having to reset set it every time.

I like TJ's idea of putting it behind glass. Obviously, it's better if it's designed that way, but perhaps a metal box with a suitable glass face could be attached and made not to look too obviously tacked on.

I think if it looks more like it was always designed to be there, it may be respected better. So even if it's actually only superglued on, it should be made of similar material and the colours should either match well or be strikingly different, e.g. fire engine red for the Estop box.
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Post by Gabz » Tue, 29 Oct 2013, 03:48

ok now I need someone who can weld the estop is located on removable panel 2 removable doors, if you see the photos door 1 is white door 2 is blue, cut it door 1 to expose door 2. so you just take door off weld on a box (cut out the rust on the tuggerah one) and repaint right ? (is this easy or hard ? )

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Post by Feng » Tue, 29 Oct 2013, 04:57

If you do a search for "emergency button cover" on eBay there are a few which might be suitable and won't be as time consuming and risky to install. I like the idea of painting the clear cover a matching blue colour and having "Emergency stop under cover" stenciled on in white. It'll look official and the button won't be as obvious to the troublemakers.

The screen on the one at Morisset looks like it has seen better days. If they're ever made operational again covertly I might visit with some wet sandpaper and plastx to buff it out!
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Post by Tritium_James » Tue, 29 Oct 2013, 16:20

Yeah, putting the E-stop at a convenient height and entirely visible is just asking for trouble - those buttons are so satisfying to press!

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Post by Gabz » Mon, 04 Nov 2013, 01:26

Looks like they still work but still require a better place card, which is as hard to find as hens teeth...

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Post by Gabz » Sun, 10 Nov 2013, 23:19

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The CHAdeMO connector at Morriset has sustained some damage as the plastic has been smashed so that you can remove the plug from the socket without unlocking.


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Post by Feng » Mon, 11 Nov 2013, 03:54

Why would people do that!?

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Post by Gabz » Mon, 25 Nov 2013, 02:42

So the bad news about horsnby and tuggerah Westfield it's been confirmed that Westfield have started arrangements to have them removed.

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Post by marty11 » Mon, 25 Nov 2013, 14:01

oh thats bad luck.. I wonder if its because they dont know how many electric cars or PHEVs / Bev's / EREV's are out there .

Maybe a letter to Westfield on an official letterhead requesting charging would be possible? Would it help? Shopping centres that allow EV Charging sure captivate customers to their shopping centre for quite a lot of hours! Probably more time than the average EV driver would Normally Spend at a shopping centre!

ps. .Gabz I am at the Entrance not too far from you so if you need a free charge and can make it to The Entrance over the next week let me know. Only 10amp though! Cheers.. marty

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Post by g4qber » Sat, 30 Nov 2013, 18:08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bulv8gpbSRo
Nissan Leaf: A Day in the Life of an EV Fast Charger

http://nissanqc.com
only thing is that this is a dedicated Chademo station :|
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Post by Gabz » Sat, 30 Nov 2013, 21:03

the cost mark up for items when they get sold across the pond is huge the aerovironment level 2 chargers go from like $600 USD to the quote i got over here was $2200 from club assist. with level 3 quoted as "Pricing has come down for level 3 chargers more recently; you can now buy a 30-40kw DC Fast Charger for around $40,000 plus GST (plus installation)"

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Post by g4qber » Fri, 13 Dec 2013, 16:18

Perhaps Nissan / abb can save it?

Since abb is rolling out fastned network?

Would be good if the units are ocpp compatible / upgradeable
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Cha ... t_Protocol

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Post by Gabz » Mon, 16 Dec 2013, 03:44

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Well there is no saving the morriset one it's gone Image Image Image

the one at hornsby was still there on Saturday.

So this is the death of Australias first EV charging highway !
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Post by poprock » Mon, 16 Dec 2013, 13:38

It lives on in my pictures folder.Wait, did I hit save? Image

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Post by g4qber » Mon, 16 Dec 2013, 14:23

i wonder where they are going?
hopefully the cables will still be around for future redeployment?
just spotted the surface rust on the Morriset chademo connector.
I wonder if they have vandals in Japan?
noticed the scratches on the display.
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Post by Gabz » Mon, 16 Dec 2013, 14:33

no they removed the service pole and the meter box which indicates it's not being replaced.

the units where French so your asking about the wrong country.

If anyone wants to try and ensure Westfield ones stay (02) 8236 9200 is the number for Westfield. you need to talk to the national carparks manager. I haven't been successful in getting him to ring me back.

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Post by g4qber » Thu, 20 Mar 2014, 15:20

http://www.bosch-si.com/solutions/mobil ... /ocpp.html

putting this link in here cos this thread contains the keyword OCPP

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