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Post by Thalass » Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 17:54

I received a letter from the DoT the other day, informing me that Western Australia is finally going to implement the LAMS system for RE class motorcycle licenses.

Since this is based on power/weight ratio, rather than engine displacement as in the old system, how does this relate to EV bikes? An EV motorcycle i convert will most likely not exceed the 150kW/t.

Actually i've just looked at the approved motorcycle list, and it says that all electric powered motorcycles are automatically approved for RE class riders. That seems somewhat foolish. How fast is the Catavolt road bike? Or a Brammo? *grin*

So i guess i've answered my own question. Image Still, it's a good move, i think.
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Post by coulomb » Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 19:05

For those like me that haven't heard of the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS), here is some information from the Queensland government:

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/safety/motorc ... cheme.aspx
it says that all electric powered motorcycles are automatically approved for RE class riders
Well, the page above has an "and" connective, and one of the requirements is that the bike is on the list of approved learner bikes. My guess is that the Catavolt isn't on that list Image

They also have to be production motorcycles.

Of course, this could be different in WA.
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Post by jonescg » Thu, 10 Jan 2013, 19:25

Catavolt performs as well as a 450, so it would be a comfortable LAMS approval. I'd love to put the Lightning, or even Voltron-Evo to the LAMS test Image
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Post by antiscab » Sat, 12 Jan 2013, 00:51

coulomb wrote:
it says that all electric powered motorcycles are automatically approved for RE class riders
Well, the page above has an "and" connective, and one of the requirements is that the bike is on the list of approved learner bikes. My guess is that the Catavolt isn't on that list Image

They also have to be production motorcycles.


When my friend was importing Roehr bikes, to get around having to go through compliance, he was buying Hyosung GTR250's and doing a frame swap.

The result was a bike that had already been complianced, but a conversion.

The interesting thing was, despite developing 72kw, it was learner approved, as it was electric and was in a 250cc complianced frame.
The rego papers even said Hyosung gtr250, but with engine capacity listed as 0.

what frame was the catavolt built around?

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Post by jonescg » Sat, 12 Jan 2013, 01:10

A Daliem, which is LAMS approved. Sounds like the Roher was a bit of an arse-around...
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Post by antiscab » Sat, 12 Jan 2013, 05:54

not really - more like a big kit

The Roehr uses the same hyosung frame, but because it's on an american frame there's no compliance stamp.

So you buy an australian complianced gtr250, and do a frame swap.
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Post by Simon » Sun, 13 Jan 2013, 23:14

LAMS Should be good news for EV motorcycle conversions. Hopefully the GTR250 and similar bikes resale value will drop considerably making donors plentiful and cheap! Image

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Post by BigMouse » Sun, 13 Jan 2013, 23:24

Simon wrote: LAMS Should be good news for EV motorcycle conversions. Hopefully the GTR250 and similar bikes resale value will drop considerably making donors plentiful and cheap! Image


LAMS makes the price of such bikes go UP quite a bit! Anyone who already owns a LAMS legal bike is loving this.

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Post by Simon » Sun, 13 Jan 2013, 23:55

BigMouse I was referring to bikes under 250cc value dropping which surely would be the case when you don't have to purchase one anymore for your first bike?

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Post by zeva » Mon, 14 Jan 2013, 00:32

Also there are a handful of 250cc bikes which are *not* LAMS approved, such as Aprilia RS250, Honda NSR250, Suzuki RGV250, which will probably come down in price a lot since RE license holders can't ride them anymore, and R license holders won't want them over say a 600-1000cc.

I'd rather like an electric RS250.. Great bike other than the obstreperous 2-stroke ICE.
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Post by coulomb » Mon, 14 Jan 2013, 15:03

zeva wrote: Great bike other than the obstreperous 2-stroke ICE.

Nice word, Ian! I had to look up its meaning.

Apparently, it means rumbustious.


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Ok, that means loud and difficult to control; aggressively boisterous.

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Post by g4qber » Tue, 03 Dec 2013, 17:03

got my RE-A license.
any ideas on what would be a reliable freeway/country (100/110 km/h) EV bike / scooter; but not scary fast.


<update>
just found a couple
http://zelectricvehicle.com/4.html
http://m-way.ch/en/products/scooter/vectrix-vx.html

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... 2vedc.html

great info on power requirements
http://piaggio.com.au/obtaining-a-learner-licence/
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Post by jonescg » Tue, 03 Dec 2013, 20:11

What's an RE-A class?
I always thought there was RE (250 cc or equivalent) and R (open class).

We can build you one :) Tony's bike (Canberra Times) would be a good contender.
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Post by g4qber » Tue, 03 Dec 2013, 21:08

As a stepping stone, I can currently ride automatic bikes/scooters up to 660cc or 150 kW/t

Marshall wanted to get me riding as soon as possible.
I mentioned to him that I would like to work towards being a backup rider for racing e-scooters.

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Post by antiscab » Tue, 03 Dec 2013, 22:21

I can build you a Vectrix with 100km range at 100kmh for $8500 (with CALB 60Ah cells)

peak power is 25kw@70kmh, max speed is 115kmh

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Post by g4qber » Wed, 04 Dec 2013, 03:37

http://www.scootersales.com.au/news-rev ... chine.aspx

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/11987/ ... est-review

antiscab, what do you mean build a vectrix?
would it struggle on the mitchell freeway doing 100kmh?
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Post by Bluefang » Wed, 04 Dec 2013, 07:31

Sorry but conversions will not be LAMs approved unless you some how manage to get them to put it on the list.

The bike i converted and registered recently is a LAMs bike at 200CC but when registering it as a electric conversion with 0cc they could not put it as a LAMs bike due to not been on the list.

Been under the power to weight scale means next to nothing, it only has to do with whether the bike is on the lams list or not. Getting it on the list is meant to be very hard.

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Post by antiscab » Wed, 04 Dec 2013, 15:45

The Vectrix is already on the LAMS list - it's a production bike

by build I mean replace the nimh battery with one of 3x the capacity by better instrumentation

the vectrix can maintain 110kmh pretty much no matter what.
only take 13kw to maintain 110kmh under worst case conditions and you have 22kw available

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Post by carnut1100 » Wed, 11 Dec 2013, 14:54

I looked into converting a bike a while back.
The guy I spoke to in Transport here in Tas said it was possible to get it LAMS approved but it would involve at the least a full engineering report and a dyno test as well as other stuffing about...

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Post by antiscab » Wed, 11 Dec 2013, 17:44

probably easier to get a full licence - or even a R-A
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