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Post by marcopolo » Thu, 21 Apr 2011, 08:37

bga wrote: An alternative to the proposed producer levy would be a consumption based scheme, similar to VAT or the GST. Perhaps, we can call it the CAT for carbon added tax?
Well what you are suggesting works if you believe that the ATO should be an instrument for social engineering. In fact the concept of a carbon tax in Australia is pointless instrument of hypocrisy. It will be very disruptive, and achieve very little except employ more bureaucrats.

Carbon Taxes are doomed to failure. Such taxes will prove both unpopular and ineffective. Demonising various industries simply because they produce philosophically undesirable, but essential, products, are unhelpful. It would be better to issue a bonds scheme to provide incentive funding to develop environmental offsets and provide infrastructure and R&D for future technologies.

More effective , and no wastage on bureaucracy
Looking at the ATO, there is already a classification for fuel efficient vehicles, which have an LCT threshold of $75,375 instead of the usual $56,000
Perhaps I wasn't very clear, You are quite right, the LCT does have a higher threshold for 'fuel efficient' vehicles. I was including all the different import costs into the 2.5 example. The amount of the tax is proportionate to the excess over the threshold.
This page: Australian Customs has some info on the importing requirements. None of it looks too daunting.


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Post by marcopolo » Thu, 21 Apr 2011, 08:57

AMPrentice wrote: A Modec like EV offered both as a commercial and the possibility of conversion into a hip family car could be the i-pod of the commuter market if it could be priced and marketed above the price of the ford territory TS and the latest diesel TX SSS.
Modec   is in receivership.
Most can see what has happened with the greatest leading consumer in the average family choosing a 4wd or suv to empower their pathetic consumerist existence. Some believe this is to make up for poor driving skills, a sense of security, or sheep mentality thats gone viral throughout the affluent world (Often seen now in northen melbourne are African and Arabian mothers full of children in shiny Black Mercs, Audis and BMWs). If Latifa or Habib`s mudda drives a forwul dry then so I can..etc... Where in Anglo/Asian/European suburbs - if Josh, Evelyn or Marika`s mother...etc etc.
Seek professional help, start with spell-check, and continue with some counselling to acquire some respect and sensitivity for your fellow citizens, no matter what their social or ethnic background.
Marco Polo - 105kw battery pack!!! even a whole German block with 2-4kw panels will have trouble charging your EV. That makes David Suzuki`s observations that we need the resources of 3 whole Earth-like planets totally wrong, we need 100 with that kind of energy storage. Does the Liberty tap into the energy from Northen lights somehow?
Geo-thermal, Hydro

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Post by AMPrentice » Fri, 22 Apr 2011, 04:46

Marco Polo you are so closed minded and gun-ho you have not even noticed the spelling was done intentionally, but you are too caught up with your stubborn high horsed nature to even admit you were wrong about your toyota statements. Modec in problems is nothing new yet no reason why people movers of a similar funky design would fail here if the price and performance was competitive with the mentioned.

The Toyota 2zzfe engine Lotus used was not obsolete, This model engine was the flagship sports engine used by the celica of the time also. So you are so pathetically wrong yet you refuse to give in to your errors by beating the horse with the obsolete and even the fallacy you stated of rare earth minerals.

China was happy to supply them to any industry until their environmental problems forced them to a reduction and even ban some unregulated mines altogether, this slack is now to be taken by Lynas corp our happy Aussie polluter.
Toyota as most know, like Nissan will be no longer using rare earth magnets.

Im not alone when I say you best do as you preach as you are the no.1 stand-out arrogant tosser on this forum. You are quick to blow fire on anyone and its quite likely the reason why less people here bother expressing their ideas.

Geo-thermal and Hydro - pls explain where you will find this in the outback or on any trip you make off-roading or to your local pup?. I personally cant stand city 4wd tossers, you are no different to them just prefer to promote bigger and heavier when its more energy dense and consuming.

You dont need exotic materials to make cars lighter, Porsche have demonstrated this over a decade ago with smart mild steel chassis designs instead of using aluminium.

Weight is the enemy in efficiency and 3 tonne Lithium powered Evs sounds completely self-defeating for everyday use in traffic. Anything around 1.2 to 1.7 tonnes should be the aim for industry, if there is a target technology and innovation will make it happen. Otherwise you keep promoting the Affluentia that grips most Zombies in society and respect I will not show in return for such a waste of resources.

As much as I cant stand the 2 main useless parties and clowns I actually believe a carbon tax is the only thing to make a difference and change society. Increases in electricity are more than welcomed in my eyes, as this is the only way steps will be taken to make sure there is some effort to not have 2 or 3 giant lcds in the house, a couple of fridges and freezers with all the lights and appliances either on or on stand-by.

Same goes for petrol, when the prices go up all those black 4wd citizens will think twice of owning high tech v8, 20 inch wheeled look at me machines.

The only way people change is when it affects their hip pockets. In countries where taxes are high there are plenty of industry innovations for energy efficiency. Australia is not one of them.

A bond scheme will fail as the money will go in the wrong areas or be swallowed up by over charging services and expenses. Look at Rudd giving a handout to Toyota or Howard giving 10 billion to develop carbon sequestration. Whoever is in charge of Australia will do what the large energy companies and Banks involved desire.
The environmental offsets cannot be enforced unless you have more bureaucrats and then you will get behind the scene dealings where secret funds and incentives make those in charge tick the right boxes.

If people choose to live in nasty housing with poor insulation, no consideration for passive solar or other design features to cut utility costs then bring on the only instrument that is a catalyst for social engineering, more taxes.
After all we are the fattest country in the world and reducing consumption will also reduce the weight of those responsible.
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Post by marcopolo » Fri, 22 Apr 2011, 21:51

AMPrentice wrote: the problem of attempting to discuss anything with you is that you are a fanatic, full of wild prejudices ranging from the usual mundane conspiracy theories, to racial vilification. Such hatreds and envy are not reflective of discredit to those you abuse, but reflect upon your own insecurities and inadequacies.

You distort and confuse reason with an intermingled collection of out of contest facts, with conspiracy theory. In your confused thinking one proves the other.

Three examples:
Geo-thermal and Hydro - pls explain where you will find this in the outback or on any trip you make off-roading or to your local pup?. I personally cant stand city 4wd tossers, you are no different to them just prefer to promote bigger and heavier when its more energy dense and consuming.


I replied to your question as what would charge the 150+ LEVRR's sold to Iceland and Norway, Both basically hydro and thermal nations. In your desire to distort, you then extrapolate that answer to Australia, and then rant on that this is some kind of perverseness on my part.
(A)Some believe this is to make up for poor driving skills, a sense of security, or sheep mentality thats gone viral throughout the affluent world (Often seen now in northen melbourne are African and Arabian mothers full of children in shiny Black Mercs, Audis and BMWs). If Latifa or Habib`s mudda drives a forwul dry then so I can..etc (B)when the prices go up all those black 4wd citizens will think twice of owning high tech v8, 20 inch wheeled look at me machines.
This is just unacceptable, racial vilification and encouraging divisive racial stereotyping. You should be ashamed.
Weight is the enemy in efficiency and 3 tonne Lithium powered Evs sounds completely self-defeating for everyday use in traffic. Anything around 1.2 to 1.7 tonnes should be the aim for industry, if there is a target technology and innovation will make it happen. Otherwise you keep promoting the Affluentia that grips most Zombies in society and respect I will not show in return for such a waste of resources.


Once again you deliberately distort. I have quite clearly stated the LEVRR was imported for rural use. Replacing an ICE 4WD. In and area where 4WD is essential. But in your envy and puritanical passion for everyone to think as you do, you ignore reality, and rant on with your own bitter fantasies.

Of course, in your own words, you despise your fellow citizens! Why ? not for of love nature or the planet, you just hate your fellow humans for making you feel inadequate. It frightens you that others may have different tastes, be more successful, popular, or happier. This is what drives you to such abusive bitterness.

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Post by CometBoy » Sat, 23 Apr 2011, 14:37

Vive + la + difference…… and move on?

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I still would appreciate a link to good technical details on the Liberty RR….. Can’t seem to find anything that gives much detail on the wheel motors etc. Also did the charge plate concept actually get to a working product option? Seems in some advertising it is an option today??

Maybe a new thread could be started on the Liberty E Range so some of us could follow your experiences with it in one place?

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Post by marcopolo » Sat, 23 Apr 2011, 19:18

CometBoy wrote: I still would appreciate a link to good technical details on the Liberty RR….. Can’t seem to find anything that gives much detail on the wheel motors etc. Also did the charge plate concept actually get to a working product option? Seems in some advertising it is an option today??Maybe a new thread could be started on the Liberty E Range so some of us could follow your experiences with it in one place?
Liberty are pretty coy about technical specifications. This is understandable since their main income is derived from licencing patent and copyright technology to other auto builders. In particular, Bus and specialist EV applications. Liberty is also in the process of taking over Modec, (fighting off a PRC bid) to keep Modec's technology and employment in the UK. Also, most LEVRR's are to a certain extent very customised for individual customer needs. This will change if Liberty can forge an alliance with a mainstream automaker. It's a shame that the UK government didn't back Liberty's bid to purchase Volvo, or SAAB.

So much has been sold to PRC government subsidised enterprises.

The charging plate is offered as an option, but to get any use for it, you would need to have induction stations, since none exist in Australia, I thought it would be an unnecessary option.

I thank you for your interest in the LEVRR, and will start a thread on the LEVRR as soon as it is delivered to me in Australia. (I look forward to a similar road trip as I took in the UK!)

In the meantime, I am researching EV applications for rural and agricultural machinery. I am very intrigued that the GE EV ride on mower is worth more today in the poorest condition than it was, brand new, in the 1970's! There's even a GE EV ride-on mower enthusiasts club!!    

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Post by AMPrentice » Sun, 24 Apr 2011, 00:33

You still havent answered your 105kw pack charging on geo-thermal and hydro.


As for disliking 4wd in cities I dont see how that can be classified as "just hate your fellow humans for making you feel inadequate". You think that using a 4wd in London traffic and going on pub crawls is "different"? I say we need smaller people movers in metro areas you say the opposite.

"... different tastes, be more successful, popular, or happier. ... drives you to such abusive bitterness." Zombies of society like yourself always chasing the market buck and gun-ho conquer it attitude is just sad not scary, its the same old attitude that has sunk society. Youre obsessed for telling everyone in an arrogant manner what they should be doing.

Like I said you refuse to admit when you are at fault now that is an issue you wrote: "Blade, nor anybody else could get any 'rights' to Toyota's property!" Ive clearly shown you that they have and continue to do so. So you are very wrong.
Someone who doesnt admit to being wrong definitely needs the professional help, but I doubt your kind open your ears and mind to make any positive difference.
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Post by marcopolo » Sun, 24 Apr 2011, 01:54

To AMPrentice, There is no value in encouraging your abusive rants. But when you descend to unashamed racial vilification, I no longer regard any dialogue of value.

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Post by AMPrentice » Thu, 28 Apr 2011, 03:39

Ironic coming from you, abusive rants are part of your nature.
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Post by reecho » Sun, 01 May 2011, 05:13

marcopolo wrote: I thank you for your interest in the LEVRR, and will start a thread on the LEVRR as soon as it is delivered to me in Australia. (I look forward to a similar road trip as I took in the UK!)


How do you intend to obtain import approval for this vehicle to enter Australia?


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Post by marcopolo » Sun, 01 May 2011, 21:41

reecho wrote: How do you intend to obtain import approval for this vehicle to enter Australia?


I already have import approval.

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Post by reecho » Mon, 02 May 2011, 05:13

marcopolo wrote: I already have import approval.


Personal Import or SEVS??

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Post by marcopolo » Mon, 02 May 2011, 08:45

reecho wrote: Personal Import or SEVS??


There are several different criteria for importing EV's to Australia. One method is to ship the Ev minus the electric drive train, The vehicle is then imported as spare parts and reassembled here.This method also get around the Luxury vehicle tax.

Another method is on a letter of Carnet. The vehicle than has a 'tradesman's' placed on the car, which is later sold by auction. (with a compliance plate). Although the import reg's actually forbid encumbrances, the courts have upheld 'tradesman's liens'. There are lots of other methods, "research vehicles" imported as 'business equipment' and registered later in sympathetic states. Diplomatic vehicles,special use. JVC's with Australian government and exempt organisations, as well as personal import. Importing from NZ, has a different set of Rules again.

My import method is more conventional and perfectly proper. The vehicle is for my use alone. but, understandably, my circumstances are my own business, and not applicable to anyone else.

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Post by reecho » Wed, 04 May 2011, 05:06

marcopolo wrote: My import method is more conventional and perfectly proper.


I'm generally interested how you plan to get the vehicle into the country. Yes I am quite familiar of what's required as I have imported cars myself but they were under the now defunct 15 year rule.

In your case the personal import provision won't apply in your case so we will rule that out. Maybe a SUTI type approval but if the chassis is the same as the Full volume RR here it wont be allowed.

I'm intrigued??


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Post by woody » Wed, 04 May 2011, 15:07

marcopolo wrote: I have owned the EV Rangie for nearly 18 months in the UK, so soon I can bring it to Australia as a personal import.
     
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Post by AMPrentice » Wed, 04 May 2011, 16:05

Ross Blade's survival plan is now clear again its called "The Oil Crunch"
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Post by Gow864 » Wed, 04 May 2011, 17:25

You know what, ANYONE that pays $300,000 dollars for a car is a tosser. Regardless of who or what they are or do.

$300,000 are you effing joking, absolutely disgusting!

As a farmer who battles daily to make a living, to listen to someone big note themselves over a $300,000 car makes me sick!







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Post by reecho » Wed, 04 May 2011, 18:43

woody wrote:
marcopolo wrote: I have owned the EV Rangie for nearly 18 months in the UK, so soon I can bring it to Australia as a personal import.
     
From a few pages back...


Ah that clears up the confusion...Thanks Woody for pointing that out..!!

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Post by marcopolo » Thu, 05 May 2011, 00:01

Go wrote: You know what, ANYONE that pays $300,000 dollars for a car is a tosser. Regardless of who or what they are or do. As a farmer who battles daily to make a living, to listen to someone big note themselves over a $300,000 car makes me sick!


Actually, $300,000 doesn't buy much in the Australian luxury vehicle market. What's your problem? I'm a farmer too, maybe luckier, or made more successful choices. (or maybe more sacrifices).

Before you start, enviously calling people tossers, have a look at your own inadequacies. You live in Australia, a nation of amazing opportunity. But only if you are prepared to take risks and work hard.
It's not easy, I have lost,(and made) money supporting many ideas and enterprises, that should have worked, but didn't. All business, including farming, is a gamble.

Life, especially business, can be very unfair and heartbreaking, but being jealous of others good fortune, is silly and only makes you bitter and unable to count your own blessings.

Maybe if you stopped passing judgement on others, you may find you wouldn't have to 'battle' so hard to just make a living.

All new technology starts with the expensive luxury market, that's how innovators recover R&D costs. It's a good thing to support new technology, if you can afford it. I could have bought a Porsche, or a Tesla, or even a bloody painting, but the LEVRR is a really practical vehicle. It's also a very good investment as a show-case for EV technology. I don't presume to tell you how to live your life, or spend your money, so what gives you the right to tell me?








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Post by gmacd33 » Thu, 05 May 2011, 01:36

Gow864 wrote: You know what, ANYONE that pays $300,000 dollars for a car is a tosser. Regardless of who or what they are or do.

$300,000 are you effing joking, absolutely disgusting!

As a farmer who battles daily to make a living, to listen to someone big note themselves over a $300,000 car makes me sick!


What exactly do you propose wealthy people should do with their money - if not spend at least some of it on that which they are passionate about, and brings enjoyment to them?

Would you have them redistribute it to all the other people who were not prepared to do what the wealthy people did to become wealthy?

Already tried that - called communism, didn't work too well.
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Post by Gow864 » Thu, 05 May 2011, 04:44

Noodles. Jealous hahaha.. nice try dick head! I actually feel sorry for you all that money, and yet you slum it here? wassup? boys at the golf club think you're a tosser too?


TOSSERS! The both of you and you f**king know it! Greg shove your commie bollocks up your wealthy arse. "Supercars" It's what 4 year olds talk about at kindy. grow up mate. BTW Where do you drive that ridiculous looking thing in your avatar? I reckon it would look great sitting in traffic jam, or do you use one of your other cars for traffic jams (i bet you've got a prius) and save this one for the track with the boys? Or maybe "this one was for a client" Awesome job electrifying a two seater door stop.

Admins: f**kING BAN ME! That way I won't wander over here to listen to these two heroes of industry and their right to spend their money on whatever overpriced bollocks will make them look the best at the golf club.
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Post by Squiggles » Thu, 05 May 2011, 04:47

gmacd33 wrote:
Would you have them redistribute it to all the other people who were not prepared to do what the wealthy people did to become wealthy?

Already tried that - called communism, didn't work too well.


Yeh, but Julia is trying it again.

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Post by reecho » Thu, 05 May 2011, 05:20

AMPrentice wrote: Ross Blade's survival plan is now clear again its called "The Oil Crunch"
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Must download that for later....

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Post by marcopolo » Thu, 05 May 2011, 22:34

Gow864 wrote: Greg shove your commie bollocks up your wealthy arse. "Supercars"


He can either be a communist, or a wealthy capitalist, but not both!

Why on earth do you seem obsessed with Golf? Ah, that could explain everything! Maybe you were hit in the head with a golf ball? No, or maybe you were kicked out of your rural golf club, for some embarrassing incident involving....Or maybe you just hate sport cars because they make you realise that something about you is very undersized...

(I don't really have time for golf, although I believe there are those who love the sport.)

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Post by Johny » Thu, 05 May 2011, 22:36

Boy, this thread is better than a soapy.

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