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HI all, does anyone have any idea of how to get a brand new EV into aussie?
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I don't think you'd be allowed to import anything new unless it complied with our ADR's so you may just have to wait until the Nissan Leaf arrives in 2012.
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Hi moemoke, how do I apply for a compliance plate just like what car dealers do to get new models into aussie?
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I'm not sure on the details but I think the most difficult/expensive step is proving crash-worthiness, which probably involves giving them a vehicle and paying them to crash it for you.

Another option would be bringing it in is a kit and build it yourself, or bringing it in second hand ("Grey Import" is the usual term).

Rules vary from state to state, you can contact the rta or directly to RTA Technical Enquiries: Tel: 1300 137 302. Email: tech-enq@rta.nsw.gov.au if you are interested in NSW rules.
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I was under the impression that you can bring in a single car, provided it is not offered for sale in Australia, and it does not require crash testing. A few people bought in the Honda Insight (early 2000's) which was never offered in Oz and did not need to do crash testing.
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And the $64,000 question - which EV would you import ?
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A bit of googling found this site
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... index.aspx
which looks like a lot of reading with all the links etc but
it should give you the answers you need and probably some you don't need.

Keep us posted on how you go and please let us know if you import
a new EV and which one?
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Hi all, I am looking at this one http://ptcchina.manufacturer.globalsour ... ic-Car.htm but with extra motor power and more range as this is one of the few EV that they have RHD version but still looking for some other models with RHD version on alibaba. According to the info. from the department, if I don't get more than 100 cars per yr into aussie, I can be exempt from doing the crash test, is that right? Also, how do I get the letter of compliance? Do I ask the manufacturer to sign it or wt?
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If it was from a major manufacturer such as Toyota or Honda etc. then I'd say you would have a good chance at the < 100 without crash testing.
A vehicle from China? My guess would be no hope whatsoever.
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What about if I import it as parts and assemble it in aus, then take it to register, would that be a problem?
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Even if you import the parts and assemble here, you'll have to get an engineer to inspect it and sign off that it meets the relevant roadworthiness and safety ADRs.

Once the RTA is happy with that, you'll need to get it inspected for a blue-slip.

Basically, if it is not a roadworthy car, you won't be able to register it.

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I saw from the dep. of infrasture that if I import it as a kit or parts, I might need to get an AVI. besides, approx how much would it cost to hv an engineer to sign it off? Do I needa buy the ADRs? many thx
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The engineer's inspection cost me something like $1800 back in 2005 when I built my Clubman.
This was with an engineer that specialised in Clubmans, so he had already knew the characteristics of the kit.

Alan, I just want to make sure that you understand that it is not just a case of paying an engineer some money for you to be able to import and run one of these cars in Aus.

The engineer will inspect the car, and if they are not happy with it, they will not sign it off.

When an engineer signs off one of these cars, they are liable for their certification, so they don't take it lightly.

If you bring a car into Aus that does not meet the ADRs, an engineer will not sign it off, and you will be stuck with a rather shiny paddock basher.

This is similar to the problem they had with the REVA a while back. It didn't meet ADRs (since we don't have a category for neighbourhood electric vehicles it was classed as a normal car)

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lots of fees involved, so unless it has extreme sentimental value, easier to wait for them to be imported.

http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/im ... tralia.htm
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EV2Go wrote: lots of fees involved, so unless it has extreme sentimental value, easier to wait for them to be imported.
I agree with EV2Go. The bias is more to NOT being able to ever register the car unless it is common on Europe, UK or USA roads. REVA is a lesson in point.
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Thx for your comment, I was just investigating if there are any chance I could get a new EV in and resell it, just like wt auto dealers do. Besides, anyone know about importing or building an electric outboard motor? Would that need any certificate to import or to put it on a runabout?
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EClubman wrote: The engineer's inspection cost me something like $1800 back in 2005 when I built my Clubman.
This was with an engineer that specialised in Clubmans, so he had already knew the characteristics of the kit.

Alan, I just want to make sure that you understand that it is not just a case of paying an engineer some money for you to be able to import and run one of these cars in Aus.

The engineer will inspect the car, and if they are not happy with it, they will not sign it off.

When an engineer signs off one of these cars, they are liable for their certification, so they don't take it lightly.

If you bring a car into Aus that does not meet the ADRs, an engineer will not sign it off, and you will be stuck with a rather shiny paddock basher.

This is similar to the problem they had with the REVA a while back. It didn't meet ADRs (since we don't have a category for neighbourhood electric vehicles it was classed as a normal car)

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The answer is actually much simpler than that in some regards. If it is a brand new vehicle, it will not be granted an import approval unless you are the compliance holder for that particular make and model in Australia. To get the approval to import new 'Low Volume' vehicles requires provision of evidence to show compliance with each applicable ADR.

If it is not a vehicle that has anything in common with a model that is already available in Australia, then you are starting from scratch... and it will cost way more than the value of one car.

These rules are not different State to State, as it is the Commonwealth Governments responsibility.

If you were to build a car here from scatch, like the clubmans for instance, they are dealt with as an Individually Constructed Vehicle (ICV) and are handled by the states, to a fairly common and agreed set of rules.

But if you were to import a fully disassembled car to avoid the import approval issue, I think you would find that under Customs law and Commonwealth law... it is still a car subject to an import approval.

To get set up to bring in "Used Imports" is a similar situation, though it would be a little easier/cheaper... but still very expensive to get set up.

The only other option for a vehicle less than 15 years old is the "personal Import" scheme. This involves you owning and using the car overseas for more than 12 months and then bringing it back into Australia as part of your personal effects. The Commonwealth are not sloppy with their assessment of these applications either, and have tightened up the requirements due to some considerable abuse over the last few years.

It is all pretty complicated, and there is far too much involved to explain it all here... so the shortest answer is no, you can't do it unless you are prepared to invest the large amount of money required to set yourself up as a vehicle import and compliance business.

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Many thx mate
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