Nissan Ariya

[coulomb]

Nissan has announced a new EV at the Tokyo motor show, but it's not a Leaf. So this forum had to change name from "Nissan Leaf" to just "Nissan".



https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/d ... ts-121222/

https://www.caradvice.com.au/802639/nis ... a-concept/

The charge port is no longer at the front! It seems to be at either side now (DC fast charge port one side, AC charge port on the other side). At least it's near the front (just ahead of the door, near the top of the bonnet).

Edit: It looks like active cooling for the 85 kWh battery.

[T1 Terry]

85kWh battery, where will this end, a battery with more range than the person driving the vehicle or the comfort limit of the passengers?

T1 Terry

[PiMan]

It all depends on how efficient the car is. Maybe there'll be a big ol' parachute on the back and it will have less range than the original Leaf.

[coulomb]

Maybe ... it will have less range than the original Leaf.

I believe that they're claiming 480 km (300 mi) WLTP.

[HuffnPuff]

85kWh battery, where will this end, a battery with more range than the person driving the vehicle or the comfort limit of the passengers?

T1 Terry

It seems the marketers have cottoned into range anxiety and we have an arms race for the best range. Once everyone recognises they won’t need that range th battery size will probably come down, along with the total cost of the vehicle and the effociency will rise with lower weight.

[T1 Terry]

The 85kWh battery would make an amazing off grid battery for when the vehicle was parked up ...... I'd love to be able to buy a Kona and work through making a plug and play set up to use that big battery pack in an off grid set up that supplemented a small permanent battery pack that kept the system alive while the EV wasn't plugged in.

T1 Terry

[HuffnPuff]

The 85kWh battery would make an amazing off grid battery for when the vehicle was parked up ...... I'd love to be able to buy a Kona and work through making a plug and play set up to use that big battery pack in an off grid set up that supplemented a small permanent battery pack that kept the system alive while the EV wasn't plugged in.

T1 Terry

That sort of setup could lead to ducking down to the shops to buy some sparks, not milk. It’s strange that we are obsessed with cars that use much more energy as a house full of people.

[antiscab]

It’s strange that we are obsessed with cars that use much more energy as a house full of people.

To be fair, cars have always used more energy than a house, they were just powered differently

Though most of the energy used in a house is embodied in nature, rather than used at the house.
https://theconversation.com/how-to-neut ... int-103922

[Richo]

And the HPV air records using <1000W at over 40kph equates to 1/6 the energy used by an electric car.
Stop driving - start flying

[antiscab]

the 2 seat pipstrel uses about the same amount of energy as a nissan leaf.

to be honest I really want to learn to fly, just so that I can fly down south on electricity, and not have to be bored in a car.

[T1 Terry]

The 85kWh battery would make an amazing off grid battery for when the vehicle was parked up ...... I'd love to be able to buy a Kona and work through making a plug and play set up to use that big battery pack in an off grid set up that supplemented a small permanent battery pack that kept the system alive while the EV wasn't plugged in.

T1 Terry

That sort of setup could lead to ducking down to the shops to buy some sparks, not milk. It’s strange that we are obsessed with cars that use much more energy as a house full of people.

The are a few shopping centres in Adelaide that give you 1 hr free parking while you are EV charging as a method of attracting shoppers and getting them to shop that bit longer while their car recharges. So you could nip down to the shops for an hr and bring back some power for the house along with the shopping

T1 Terry

[Samstain]

The are a few shopping centres in Adelaide that give you 1 hr free parking while you are EV charging as a method of attracting shoppers and getting them to shop that bit longer while their car recharges. So you could nip down to the shops for an hr and bring back some power for the house along with the shopping

I was considering (not very seriously) sticking a couple stumpy storage HWS units in the back of my car (ICE at this stage unfortunately - might need a some EV stickers and an exhaust pipe trim to complete the illusion), to bring home a couple days of hot water at a time, the house is all electric, and is pretty efficient for uncontrolled load due to a grid connect system and a off grid system to run the essentials at night (about 2-3kWh import a day on average for the year) but the wife loves a hot bath, so goes through 8-10 kWh of hot water a day... storage hot water tanks are much cheaper than batteries for getting that energy home.

[g4qber]

liquid cooled battery finally
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/electric-niss ... 42266.html

[g4qber]

https://youtu.be/h0IMgNbIZI4
The Late Brake Show

[coulomb]

Thanks, Joseph. I'll just add a little. The Late Brake Show is a YouTube channel hosted by Jonny Smith, formerly of Fully Charged, Fifth Gear, and many other motoring programs. It's "a broad church of automotive appreciation". He gives a reasonably in-depth review in this 16 minute video, which is well edited and good with detail.

"Why Nissan's Ariya EV is a new Tesla Y, VW ID.4 & Ford Mach-E electric SUV rival. Detailed look":



Edit: you'll have to pardon his British units, though he gives most of the metric conversion in overlays. The torque is disappointing though at 300 or 600 nanometres
Edit 2: and he confuses centimetres and millimetres at one point; wheelbase is 70 millimetres longer than the X-trail. I guess some people just aren't ready for sensible units?

[coulomb]

I see mention of an 85 kWh battery in earlier posts. The largest battery seems to have grown to 90 kWh now; from the above video at about 2:45:

Aria models.jpg (166.21 KiB) Viewed 253 times

[ Edit: the red parts are my correction / conversions. ]

Five models! Three battery sizes. FWD and 4WD. Various power levels.

[EVdownUnder]

I like the Ariya, and we actually have a chance to have it in Australia before I retire, but the 415L boot (https://ev-database.org/car/1304/Nissan ... ORCE-87kWh) is very desapointing.
The similarly spec'ed Skoda Enyaq has a 585L boot with only 5cm more length. And cheaper! Again according to the EV Database (https://ev-database.org/car/1282/Skoda-Enyaq-iV-RS).

[ResistanceIsFutile]

From someone who currently doesn't own an EV, where both of his ICE cars have circa 1000k ranges.. I don't need that. But I'd be happy with something in the low 400k's. That would cover everything our city car is ever likely to do, and a bit of margin for battery degradation with age.

It's fine having options for people who need a longer range vehicle, but at some point you are just using electricity to push batteries around that you **might** need one day.