2020 Ioniq

[AngieD]

Is it true that the 2020 Ioniq really is going to be released in Australia at the end of 2019? The upgraded battery can do 293kms apparently. Why wouldn't we wait for that instead of following through with our order placed this week for one that only does 230kms?

[jamie85063]

We may not get it for a while yet and the price may increase with the bigger battery. If you must have the extra range maybe you should wait. Though being you have ordered one you must be fine with the current range the car can do.

[AngieD]

Thanks Jamie, we were happy but if there is a chance to improve the range I guess that would always be a good thing. We will go with our current order of course, but the question needed to be asked. LOL

[coulomb]

2020 Ioniq really is going to be released in Australia at the end of 2019?

I have no idea. But remember that Australia is the backwater of electric vehicles. Just look at how far behind the latest model the Leaf you can buy in Australia is.

And the Leaf is Japanese, so right hand drive like ours. Korea is left hand drive (drive on the right), so we'd have to wait for the right hand drive model to come out, in addition to any delays that being in Australia entails. Maybe it's the exact same car body, but I'd guess that there are a few wrinkles that have to be ironed out for right hand drive, even just increasing the battery capacity.

[ Edit: sigh. Mixed up right hand drive with driving on the right. ]

[Hippie403]

There is a gotcha with the 38.3kWh Ioniq, slower DC charging rates due to different cell chemistry and lower pack voltage. Someone has done some back of the envelope calculations showing the 28kWh model can cover long distances faster than the 2020 model due to the slower charging rate (providing the charging stations are close enough together for the range of the 28kWh car).

[Chuq]

There is a gotcha with the 38.3kWh Ioniq, slower DC charging rates due to different cell chemistry

Really? All reports I've read suggest 100kW DC charging.

[Hippie403]

Really? All reports I've read suggest 100kW DC charging.

The pack voltage is down from 360V in the 28kWh pack to 320V in the 38.3kWh pack. On a 100kW charger time to 80% 28kWh pack 23 minutes, time to 80% 38.3kWh pack 54 minutes. I compute average charge power 34kW for new pack versus 58kW for the old pack. Charge times from official Hyundai spec sheets.

[UltraGekko]

On a 100kW charger time to 80% 28kWh pack 23 minutes, time to 80% 38.3kWh pack 54 minutes.

Isn't this expected since 80% of the old pack is 22.4kWh and 80% of the new pack is 30.64kWh? How long would it take to charge the new pack to 22.4kWh (~58%)?

[Hippie403]

On a 100kW charger time to 80% 28kWh pack 23 minutes, time to 80% 38.3kWh pack 54 minutes.

Isn't this expected since 80% of the old pack is 22.4kWh and 80% of the new pack is 30.64kWh? How long would it take to charge the new pack to 22.4kWh (~58%)?

Hard to say without knowing the actual charging curve, but based on the average charging rate it would be 39 minutes.

[g4qber]

https://youtu.be/GsWq_YrbDhs

Shieeet slow dc
Thanks uncle bjørn for info.

[jonescg]

Kat and I are very serious about getting one of these - and at least in WA anyway, AEVA members are entitled to a discount of a few thousand bucks Pays to be a member

I'm curious as to the highway range - pretty confident 250 km on a charge is achievable. The slower charge rate (40-50 kW) makes little difference to me for the most part given we have so few fast chargers over here, but I'm expecting a 1 hour charge between legs anyway.

[jonescg]

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Evaluating So far plenty happy with it. I worked out I could do my usual 400 km a week and charge twice a week, once on a weekend when the sun is shining all day, and once in the middle of the week of an evening for a few hours to get through to the weekend.

On sale for $49,990 for AEVA WA members, and available about 3 months after placing an order. Let's see what comes of it

[jonescg]

Well the efficiency of this car is nuts!

Charged fully overnight to 100% on the 2.2 kW charger. Got in, suggested 330 km. Headed off down the hill and managed to use regen most of the way down Welshpool road until she canna' take no more. Now I had 350 km range

I took it on Roe Highway to assess the lane keeping and it's pretty good, but tended to put the left side of the car pretty close to the white line for my liking. I was stuck in the right lane for the most part, so possibly this is a RHD thing?

It maintained a miserly 7.5-8.0 kWh/100 km (or 80 Wh/km) holding 100 km/h on flat Perth motorway. This translates to well over 450 km range?! At least 300 km for sure in the real world.

We're sold

[Rusdy]

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It maintained a miserly 7.5-8.0 kWh/100 km (or 80 Wh/km) holding 100 km/h on flat Perth motorway. This translates to well over 450 km range?! At least 300 km for sure in the real world.
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That efficiency figure is super crazy. For hypermiling maybe. But normal driving?? How on earth Hyundai did that??

By the way, did you use Leach Hwy in the Tuesday arvo sometime? I saw that exact blue ioniq going east.

[jonescg]

Yep, I spotted a sky blue Leaf going the other way

[g4qber]

https://ev-database.org/car/1165/Hyundai-IONIQ-Electric
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/topten.jsp
2nd most efficient production vehicle

[4Springs]

I had a ride in one of these to our last AEVA meeting. Two of us in the car.
The meeting is 208 km away. On the way there we charged to 80% at a fast charger 41 km from our destination.
We plugged into a 15 A outlet at the meeting, and the car was fully charged when we left for home.
We made it home on the charge. The guessometer was showing about 15 km of range left. This was on the highway, driving highway speeds, until we got anxious and cut the speed down to 80 km/h, with about 40 km to go.

Conditions were mild and very windy, with a headwind all the way home. About half the highway is hilly, the other half fairly flat.

[jonescg]

Interesting - this was the 38 kWh battery?
Seems quite variable.

[bladecar]

So I'm not following the economy terms very well because I don't, but I know from experience how circumstances affect the range of an ev, and probably an internal combustion vehicle, but ic's either stop more frequently for fuel or put more in it and get mildly annoyed at the extra cost.

It would be of interest if, like those mad europeans, two people chose to drive an economic vehicle, like an elantra or a mazda 6 type of thing over the same two-way trip and focused on the difference in fuel economy in each direction.

On an earlier different subject, I was mentioning to someone interested in moving to ev propulsion how hills, headwinds and gadgets running in the car might significantly affect the range of a vehicle. A new owner might be frequently thrilled to arrive at a short destination with more "range" than when they left home only to find something not quite right, range-wise, on returning home over the same course, due to the slight rise instead of the slight fall, a head wind instead of a following wind.

So maybe nothing fishy at all. All depends on driving consistently. I remember someone on an economy test saying that all the windows are up, nothing is running except the motor (non-ev) even on the hottest day and using the throttle pedal as though egg-shells were at risk.

That's why we need to have a range at least 30 to 50% greater than an intended trip if range anxiety does not enter into it, or intend to drive with a different approach.

[jonescg]

Yeah, when an ICE throws 80% of it's useful energy out the pipe as heat and smoke, changes in the useful 20% are harder to notice.
I daresay I had a bit of an easterly pushing me, and I was in the right lane behind a line of heavy vehicles, so they were helping a lot too.
But even consuming 120 Wh/km at 100 km/h I can expect 300 km range. Warm weather and no need for A/C helps a lot.

[brendon_m]

I think with the worst case of 150-200km range that is enough for the majority of people. On the rare occasion that you want to go further on holidays etc, well, that's what DC chargers are for. We just need to get them installed...

[jonescg]

Deposit placed

I can finally start work on the CRX now!

[4Springs]

Interesting - this was the 38 kWh battery?

Indeed it was - one of the people who ordered an Ioniq, had to wait and ended up with the new model.
I've looked up the weather for that day. I'll use Hobart airport weather station.
Temp Max 21°C, Min 10°C
Windspeed max gust 60 km/h, more typically 30 km/h

Our 'highway speed' is 110 km/h.

[EVdownUnder]

Charged fully overnight to 100% on the 2.2 kW charger. Got in, suggested 330 km. Headed off down the hill and managed to use regen most of the way down Welshpool road until she canna' take no more. Now I had 350 km range

This is amazing and a bit surprising? If I charge my Kona to 100% and the charge finished soon before my departure from my house at 250m altitude, by the time I am at the end of my short street, the dash displays the "Regen not available due to electrons overflowing out of the venting hole" (not those exact words but something like that).
Enjoy the Ionic and please post some real world stats for us to marvel at. Actually post them on the Tesla group to make them join the even lighter side

[jonescg]

Charged fully overnight to 100% on the 2.2 kW charger. Got in, suggested 330 km. Headed off down the hill and managed to use regen most of the way down Welshpool road until she canna' take no more. Now I had 350 km range

This is amazing and a bit surprising? If I charge my Kona to 100% and the charge finished soon before my departure from my house at 250m altitude, by the time I am at the end of my short street, the dash displays the "Regen not available due to electrons overflowing out of the venting hole" (not those exact words but something like that).
Enjoy the Ionic and please post some real world stats for us to marvel at. Actually post them on the Tesla group to make them join the even lighter side

Haha!

Well to be honest our decision to buy the Ioniq is complicated, but simple all at the same time. Our needs were simple:

Must run on electricity
Must have a highway range of 250 km
Prefer a station wagon, but will settle for a liftback
Not be expensive

As for not expensive, the Ioniq won out on dollars per km range. If this car has a reliable 300 km highway range, it is easily far and away the most affordable medium range EV on the road today; beaten perhaps only by the MG, which I'm not full bottle on in terms of quality. The nearest competitor on the dollars per km range is the Tesla and it's a full $20k dearer.
The Ionic had a stack of technology I will probably never use. I'm just flat out not interested in that stuff. So a Tesla made even less sense.

Finally, our budget was tight, but we knew we could borrow money if we needed to. None of the used Leafs, or Jap import vehicles were screaming good value to us - for $25k you had a car with 150 km range and would be shagged after 4 years in the WA heat. For the extra $25k we got a car with twice the range, probably more than twice the life expectancy, and a service ecosystem that neither Tesla or Nissan have (especially for imports).

And, I'm just not a Tesla fanboi. Love their work, but their cars are not what I need.