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Post by Chuq » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 04:27

Does the naming of the various plug types on Plugshare annoy anyone else?

"Wall outlet (3112)" - can refer to either a 10A or 15A outlet. The "3112" won't mean anything to most people.

"Caravan mains socket" is a outlet not used any any caravan park in Australia (to my knowledge).

"Blue Commando" - looks like a NZ caravan standard, so understandable it would be in the "Oceania" category.

There are also a few sites in Australia that have been tagged with "Wall outlet (120V)" which is a North American wall outlet.

I'm just adding a few and notice that many have been used incorrectly - does anyone else routinely clean these up?

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Post by jonescg » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 04:38

I don't think they can be changed. Perhaps make a point of adding more details in the information section where you can clarify things like 10 amp, 15 amp etc.
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Post by Chuq » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 04:53

Well, I figure they *can* be changed, by Plugshare themselves, but would they want to...

Not much that can be done, but wanted to know if it would be useful or annoying to:
- Change all "Caravan mains socket" entries in Australia to "Wall outlet (3112)"
- Change all "Wall outlet (120V)" entries in Australia to "Wall outlet (3112)"

Even better would be if they could have a larger range of icons. At the moment a 10A outlet gets the same icon as a 22kW Tesla destination charger. I know it is a slippery slope to having a dozen different icons but surely there must be a way around it!

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Post by 4Springs » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 16:56

Yes Charles, it annoys me too!
I think the Caravan socket has been used to refer to a 15A outlet. But really you always have to describe it in the comments.
No icons on the web version, just seems to be the mobile app.

I had a nice (email) chat with Plugshare customer support a while back. I reported a bug where you couldn't edit your site if you were in Oceania. This was possibly the reason there were some 120V outlets on sites. I also suggested that they remove the automatic formatting from phone numbers, since the (presumably US) formatting that they use is not useful.
The bug got fixed, I reckon if they had enough requests along the same lines they might change things.

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Post by Chuq » Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 01:37

Well, the 120V site has gone!

When I say "more icons" I mean the blue/green/orange icons.
a 10A (2.4kW) socket and a 22kW destination charger are both green, and a 50kW Chademo and a 130kW Tesla Supercharger are both orange. But they are significantly different, in both deliverable energy rate and whether or not they are accessible to certain vehicles!   

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Post by 4Springs » Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 01:57

Chuq wrote: When I say "more icons" I mean the blue/green/orange icons.
a 10A (2.4kW) socket and a 22kW destination charger are both green, and a 50kW Chademo and a 130kW Tesla Supercharger are both orange. But they are significantly different, in both deliverable energy rate and whether or not they are accessible to certain vehicles!   

Ah, those icons. You can filter of course, click "more options" and choose just J1772 for instance.

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Post by Chuq » Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 02:32

4Springs wrote:
Ah, those icons. You can filter of course, click "more options" and choose just J1772 for instance.


Well, true.. but then it comes back to the same issue about people knowing what "3112" means and so on!

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Post by RecargoJames » Thu, 15 Dec 2016, 09:41

Chuq wrote:
- Change all "Wall outlet (120V)" entries in Australia to "Wall outlet (3112)"


Hi Chuq!

At which AU locations are you finding the US wall outlets? I'm a PlugShare admin and can make the corrections for you. You can refer to a location with the PlugShare ID#:

e.g.: http://www.plugshare.com/?location=57171

The PlugShare ID# in the above example is 57171.

Thanks for the help!

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Post by Chuq » Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 15:43

RecargoJames wrote:
Chuq wrote:
- Change all "Wall outlet (120V)" entries in Australia to "Wall outlet (3112)"


Hi Chuq!

At which AU locations are you finding the US wall outlets? I'm a PlugShare admin and can make the corrections for you. You can refer to a location with the PlugShare ID#:

e.g.: http://www.plugshare.com/?location=57171

The PlugShare ID# in the above example is 57171.

Thanks for the help!

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Thanks James!
The 120V outlets seem to have gone now - I found one in NZ (https://api.plugshare.com/view/location/80705) and while I suspect it is an error, I don't know enough about NZ to be sure that it is wrong :)

Caravan Mains Socket I'm *fairly* sure shouldn't exist in Australia. Caravan parks use 15A power outlets.

10A and 15A power outlets are two different varieties of "Wall Outlet (3112)". It would be nice if they were differentiated - but what to do with the several hundred "Wall Outlet (3112)" locations already listed?



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Post by RecargoJames » Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 16:00

Chuq wrote:
The 120V outlets seem to have gone now - I found one in NZ (https://api.plugshare.com/view/location/80705) and while I suspect it is an error, I don't know enough about NZ to be sure that it is wrong :)


Thanks Chuq!

Yes, the one in NZ appeared to be in error - the user added the US wall plug, then "corrected" the problem by adding the Aussie wall plug. I removed the US wall plug.

If you see any other rogue US plugs out there, or any plug which looks more like a mistaken entry, please let me know.

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Post by rhills » Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 17:53

Hi James and welcome to our forum,
Chuq wrote:...10A and 15A power outlets are two different varieties of "Wall Outlet (3112)". It would be nice if they were differentiated...
Thought I'd draw your attention to this part of Chuq's post thinking perhaps you'd missed it. It's an omission in PlugShare that makes it much less useful in Australia than it could be.

Most manufactured plugin-rechargeable vehicles in Australia use one of these two plugs (10A and 15A) so it would be really useful to us to be able to differentiate between them.
Chuq wrote:... but what to do with the several hundred "Wall Outlet (3112)" locations already listed?
If these plug types were made available in PlugShare, I'm sure there are enough of us who are interested enough to go back and update the info for existing chargers in the database. I'd certainly be happy to do the ones I know about and I'm sure g4qber would be onto it as well.

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Post by Chuq » Sat, 17 Dec 2016, 19:47

Slightly unrelated - what's going on here? https://api.plugshare.com/view/location/101159

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It has a Tesla destination charger, but the box isn't ticked on the edit page. (If I tick it, the main box then tells me it has two Destination chargers!)

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Post by Gabz » Sun, 18 Dec 2016, 15:35

I would say plugshare has sourced that information form tesla directly (location of destination chargers) so they've assumed that the information is true and correct and can't be removed or edited.
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Post by Chuq » Mon, 19 Dec 2016, 23:12

Gabz wrote: I would say plugshare has sourced that information form tesla directly (location of destination chargers) so they've assumed that the information is true and correct and can't be removed or edited.


That seems most likely - I'm aware that happens with Superchargers (Plugshare import details directly from Tesla) although didn't know about Destination chargers. Whatever algorithm they use must be smart enough to recognise similar names (I think I entered "Triabunna Takeaway and Video" and the official name on the Tesla map is "Triabunna Cafe").

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Post by RecargoJames » Tue, 20 Dec 2016, 11:43

I just wanted to let you know that I filed a PlugShare bug report requesting that "Wall Outlet (3112)" be differentiated as 10A or 15A. Please be patient, as these things take time.

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Post by rhills » Wed, 21 Dec 2016, 01:36

RecargoJames wrote: I just wanted to let you know that I filed a PlugShare bug report requesting that "Wall Outlet (3112)" be differentiated as 10A or 15A. Please be patient, as these things take time.
Many thanks for that, we'll look forward to the change when it happens.
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Post by RecargoJames » Fri, 23 Dec 2016, 12:16

Just added to PlugShare:
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Post by Chuq » Mon, 02 Oct 2017, 09:56

RecargoJames wrote:
Tue, 20 Dec 2016, 11:43
I just wanted to let you know that I filed a PlugShare bug report requesting that "Wall Outlet (3112)" be differentiated as 10A or 15A. Please be patient, as these things take time.
Hi James - any more news on this?

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