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Hi Everyone

What brand of wall charger are you using to charge your iMiev at home?
If so how much did you pay for it?
Where did you purchase it from?
How much did it cost to fit?

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I used one like this off eBay hardwired into the off peak 1 tariff
Cost about $1200 all up.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... ID=EBAY-AU

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eBay item number
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2010 or 2011/12 I-Miev??

They have different requirements...
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For now I am just using the Stock 10A EVSE that came with the car.

Though later this month when I visit the US I will be purchasing a OpenEVSE http://store.openevse.com/products/open ... tion-combo

Roughly $570 Au complete with cable and I think I'm only saving something like $70 in shipping vs having it posted to AU.

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I use this one:
EMW Juice Box

Not quite as cheap as the open EVSE, but no assembly required.
I have an open EVSE as well, I still have yet to get it to work :(
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I use the EVSE charger cable that came with the car, conveniently attached to a carport post with cable ties.
I also have a Holden Volt EVSE that came with a 10A plug and works perfectly with the iMiEV and that lives in the back of the car just in case I ever need a charge elsewhere.
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Mine (2010) doesn't need an EVSE, just has a cable with a 15a plug on one end and a J1772 on the other.
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Hi,

My Blade Electron doesn't have an evse and is similar to yours.

Isn't it nice to buy something that simply has a cable to plug the thing into and not some great brick (especially a great brick with a too-short wall-end section) or box that has to be plugged into or with two cables from both ends of the black box.

No EVSE would be nice and they will be a source for repair or replacement in the future :)
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Hi,

I'm new to EV. Picked up a 2011 Miev yesterday. So please forgive my ignorance.

I'm a little confused by the charging requirements. It is clearly intended to charge from a 15A socket. But it came with a long 15A to J1772 lead and a much longer cable which is effectively just a 15A to 10A adaptor. Is it OK to charge from a 10A socket? I'm not too concerned about charging time - more concerned with safety and care/maintenance of the batteries. If 10A is fine, I'd just get a smaller adaptor. Any suggestions for where to get a suitable adaptor?

Greg, you mention having an EVSE wired into an off peak tariff (in WA?) and Kurt, you indicate that you are getting an Open EVSE. Forgive my ignorance, but what does the EVSE do that plugging directly into a 15A (or even 10A) socket does not do? I see that it can deliver 30A - but are we not supply restricted to 10A or 15A? Do you want it for the current measurement or other diagnostics? Does it allow timer control? (Is there any reason for that if you're on an off peak tariff? ie just plug it in and leave it?)

Can such an EVSE (or any other solution) be wired into Tariff 31 or 33 in SEQ? That could save a few hundred dollars pa.    

Thanks in advance,

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2011/2012 I-Miev's have full J1772 pilot signal compliance. So in essence the provided EVSE will restrict charge rates to 10 amps. With a 16A EVSE the car will charge at full rate at around 13 amps. It would be OK to charge on a 10 amp point but for permanent charging at your house I would recommend a dedicated 56 series Clipsal 15A wallpoint to reduce any losses.

These adaptors may work.....

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ampfibian-Mi ... 2edd526e79

The charger onboard is maxed out at 13 amps, so plugging in a 32A EVSE like a OPENEVSE won't increase charge rates. It may be possible in the future to add a charge booster such as a a Brusa NLG513
to lift charge rates to around 6.6kw.
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Rovert wrote: Can such an EVSE (or any other solution) be wired into Tariff 31 or 33 in SEQ? That could save a few hundred dollars pa.    

Thanks in advance,

Trevor


In most states it's required to be hard-wired so for a 2010 you need a cable hardwired to a J box and a switch. no plug. if your in the energex area which is SEQ i think you can get an 15amp GPO on T31 See section 14 so print that off and show it to your friendly Sparkie.
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Get a10 amp Holden evse for $350.
No more confusion about whether the Nissan or Mitsubishi evses draw 15 amps just because it has a 15 amp plug on it

Can then connect to a 10 amp power meter and 10 amp timer for off peak charging since the imiev doesn't have a built in timer
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Ref my earlier questions, in researching the I-Miev I was a little confused about model years. Although the insurer only found our new vehicle when looking under 2011, I see that the rego papers say 2010. It has halogen headlights (=2012?) but no key is needed to start (=2010?). After reading other discussion covering the differences between the different models, which includes an indication that the charging systems are different (relevant to my question above), I don't know what it is. I guess I should go with the rego papers which say 2010.
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What are the letters on the selector stick. (P R N D B C) or something different?

You. Can also just look inside the door jam Passenger side is the manufacturers plate/sticker build date is on that sticker.

The EVSE is just a little box inline with the J11772 cable that sends the piolot signal to the onboard charger telling it its OK- safe to charge (as in the wall outlet has a ground - earth bond) and it also send a signal to tell the onboard charger what rate to charge at . The stock EVSE on the 2012 is set at 10A. Even though the onboard charger can charge at 3300w - 13A. The Open EVSE is a user settable EVSE withna small display. So you can set it anywhere from about 6A in one Amp increments up to the full potential of the onboard charger. In the imeve's case that's 13A. It also has some handy features like charge start time delay and some basic logging of your consumption.

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Thanks Kurt. Selector: P R N D Eco B. So I guess 2010. I couldn't find any date on the compliance plate ...which seems rather odd. Looks like I might have a 2010 but with halogen lights.... :(
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The 2012 model has three spoke wheels - more like a disk with three openings, the 2010 model has 7 straight spokes. D Eco B is 2010, DBC is 2012.
The 2012 has EVSE (box in the cord) and actually draws only 10A in spite of the 15A plug. Works fine with the 10A-plugged Holden Volt EVSE.
I think the 2010 takes about 13A with a straight cord with 15A plug on the end. In practice, most of the time that will not be a problem on a 10A outlet (which usually has a 16A breaker and 20A rated cable) but better to have a properly installed 15A outlet at home.
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2010 with halogen headlights???.......sounds a bit fishy.....
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Yes, 7 "spoke" wheels and everything else points to 2010. But unless LED headlights don't look anything like any other LED light I've seen, the headlights confuse me....
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The 2010 has halogen high beams, and LED low beam. The only globe you can see in the headlight is halogen.
The LEDs are the two little projector lamps on top on each side.

The 2012 model halogen lights have a single larger projector each side.

How many projector (hemispherical lenses) do you have on each headlight unit?

The LEDs look like this
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com ... v---09.jpg

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OK, Looks like I've been fooled by the halogen high beam, Mike. Definitely 2010. Thanks for the detail, Carnut. I'll bear the $2k replacement cost in mind if I see any wallabies in inner city Brisbane.

Sorry to have diverted the thread from the charging topic but thanks for all replies.
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I don't have an iMiev, but I bought a siemens versicharge EVSE from amazon USA - (for some reason it ships to australia).

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MFVI92S/ref ... 50_TE_item

It's easy to remove the american plug, L1 -> active, L2 -> neutral.
Works a treat on my conversion with J1772 and AVC2 from modular EV power.

I've tested it on an outlander PHEV, worked no worries.
Do the old iMiev's handshake with public chargers OK? if they do, it will work.

It's on plugshare too but never been called upon.

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http://www.gelcoservices.com.au/gelco_e ... ehicle.htm
2010 won't work on a public charger or a EVSE unless it has been retrofitted.
Gelco does a retrofit kit that upgrades a 2010 to full J1772 functionality.
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carnut1100 wrote: http://www.gelcoservices.com.au/gelco_e ... ehicle.htm
2010 won't work on a public charger or a EVSE unless it has been retrofitted.
Gelco does a retrofit kit that upgrades a 2010 to full J1772 functionality.


Actually around 30 of the 100 odd 2010 "lease fleet" were modified by Gelco when new.

I modified mine myself. Works a treat.
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