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Post by LauraiMiEV » Sun, 11 Jan 2015, 13:57

I've purchased my Volt EVSE and plugged it in to charge up. It charged just like my iMiEV EVSE - or I couldn't discern any difference. Nothing got hot and the battery topped up. I now have a portable charger that I can use in a friend's garage without the need for a special plug or adapter.

When I first looked at it, I looked online and it had a list price of $350. I called my local Holden dealer and he said the RRP was over $400 but he honoured the online price. That online price had vanished by the time I actually ordered the EVSE but he remembered my earlier call and stuck with the $350 quote. I'm very happy with that!

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Post by g4qber » Sun, 11 Jan 2015, 15:33

cool does yours buzz, cos mine does.
unfortunately workshop noise is too loud so tech couldn't hear the buzz
will have to wait till it dies totally.

the original EVSE that came with the volt died n was replaced by Melville Holden
Paul Davies is fantastic and 110% behind the volt n future spark

bought 2nd EVSE from City Motors Holden
cos Anthony on the ozleaf forums said that he managed to convince them to match the web price.

agreed that elsewhere was quoting $400.
eg AHG dealers.
Phoenix Holden seemed independent of the AHG group and quoted $386; I bought my volt from them.

EVSEs are supposed to be built to a standard.
Unfortunately my volt has an alleged earth leakage issue and Holden don't want to know anything cos their EVSE works 99% of the time.
I managed to get their Voltec EVSE to Red LED fault only just the other day.
The BMW 8A EVSE and clipper Creek 15A both Red LED fault instantly.
I wonder what is different with the 10A Holden Voltec EVSE that makes it more resilient?
I have used my collection of EVSEs with i-MiEV, LEAF (thanks to Brian M and Matthew C (photomac), i3 with no issues.

wish that antiscab will get his OpenEVSE / Juicebox EVSE completed soon so that I can test the volt on it.
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Post by thardy456 » Wed, 09 Sep 2015, 23:32

Had a small scare today, got down to 2km left to go with no bars on the battery indicator.

So thought I'd better start carrying a 10amp adapter.

Just found these:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ampfibian-Mi ... 1281662585

Or there is this one too which is slightly cheaper but not water proof.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/360657275579

Seem to be the cheapest legal one's I can find at around $70.

Any thought's before I buy one?

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Post by Peter C in Canberra » Thu, 10 Sep 2015, 00:15

I carry a Holden Volt EVSE cord around with me and it comes with a 10A plug so can legally plug in anywhere. It works just fine on a 2012 model iMiEV but probably not with the 2010 that doesn't talk to EVSE.
Someone else in the Canberra branch with a 2010 model is happy with a Jaycar adaptor box. It has 10 A outlets and a 15 A plug and supposedly a 10A breaker inside. However, doesn't the 2010 model pull about 12A when charging? Anyway, perhaps a Jaycar shop would let you return it if it doesn't work for you?
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Post by iDaVID » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 17:03

Another approach, if you're not disinclined to do some DYI, is to go down to Bunnings or Masters etc and buy two things. The first is a heavy duty 15 amp extension cord (at least 2.5mm gauge) and a 10 amp male cord plug. Cut the male plug off the extension cord then fit the 10 amp one in its place. Yes it requires some wiring skill, but nothing too demanding. In 5 minutes you have your 10 amp adaptor as I have done. Costs less than $20 or so.
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Post by Adverse Effects » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 17:11

iDaVID wrote:Cut the male plug off the extension cord then fit the 15 amp one in its place.


think you ment 10amp plug there

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Post by iDaVID » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 17:14

Adverse Effects wrote:
iDaVID wrote:Cut the male plug off the extension cord then fit the 15 amp one in its place.


think you ment 10amp plug there


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So I did. Nice catch!

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Post by Peter C in Canberra » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 18:50

Strictly speaking, the 15A to 10A adaptor is not legal, although it is possible to use it sensibly and safely. An adaptor sold commercially (such as from Jaycar) that includes a circuit breaker to prevent overload of the 10A circuit is legal.
Be careful with cords sold as 'heavy duty'. Some have fatter wire inside but some come with 10A plugs and are only 'heavy duty' in the sense that they have more robust insulation on them.
1mm2 conductors are good for 10A, 1.5mm2 conductors are good for 15A and so on.
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Post by offgridQLD » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 19:22

yes, I was going to say you would be struggling to find a 10A extension cord at Bunnings with 2.5mm cable. Not that it needs to be that thick.


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Post by iDaVID » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 19:31

offgridQLD wrote: yes, I was going to say you would be struggling to find a 10A extension cord at Bunnings with 2.5mm cable. Not that it needs to be that thick.


Yeah sorry. I meant a 15 amp cable   Image

I went for 2.5 mm as I'm rather on the conservative side as these things go. To me 1.5 mm isn't enough.



   

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Post by Peter C in Canberra » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 19:43

offgridQLD wrote: yes, I was going to say you would be struggling to find a 10A extension cord at Bunnings with 2.5mm cable. Not that it needs to be that thick.

I got an extension cord at Bunnings that was 1.5mm2 conductors but 10A plug and sockets at the ends. That is appropriate cable for 15A so you could put a 15A socket on one end.
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Post by thardy456 » Sat, 12 Sep 2015, 20:59

Thanks everyone.   I'm off to Bunnings! :)
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Post by mikedufty » Mon, 14 Sep 2015, 01:56

The bunnings version does the job if used sensibly, and is probably good enough as an emergency recharge. Also it doesn't need to be very long, a 10cm adapter does the job. If I need an extension cord I carry a 15A one, which can be used by itself if a 15A socket is available, and only plugged into an adapter if necessary.


On the other hand if it's main purpose is to allow you to charge from a stranger's powerpoint, there is something to be said for keeping it strictly legal and the Jaycar adapter does reduce the risk of overloading something you have plugged into.

The only time I've ever used my 10A-15A was actually at the house of an electrician who was happy with it as he understood what was happening.

Also if making your own have a look at the thread here where several people discuss their plugs that have melted plugs due to not quite perfect connections.



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Post by Johny » Mon, 14 Sep 2015, 04:08

Speaking of one of the folk who have had these "not quite perfect connections" I would strongly recommend not trusting a plain stripped wire into any wedge clamped plug or socket. I have worked with wiring all my life and find that these 10-15 Amps mains loads that last a few hours are problematic if stranded wire is used without a crimp.

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Post by bmscott » Sat, 19 Sep 2015, 02:13

thardy456 wrote: So thought I'd better start carrying a 10amp adapter.

Just found these:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ampfibian-Mi ... 1281662585

Or there is this one too which is slightly cheaper but not water proof.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/360657275579


Just got my iMiev last night (2010 model) and discovered to my dismay that the outlet on our front porch is 10a, not 15A! So while I looked at the eBay options, I wanted something TODAY if possible...

What we ended up buying was just like the first link you posted, only $85 and it was from a RV/Caravan store near Burwood Hwy and Dorset. Apparently the second link is the kind you can get at Jaycar.

Anyhow, it works fine for me and will hold me over until we get an electrician out to upgrade our socket!

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Post by bmscott » Sat, 19 Sep 2015, 02:15

bmscott wrote: ...from a RV/Caravan store near Burwood Hwy and Dorset. Apparently the second link is the kind you can get at Jaycar.


Umm, that's Melbourne, for those keeping score at home...

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Post by thardy456 » Sat, 19 Sep 2015, 18:43

Yes I bought that one too but off Ebay, as I couldn't be bothered making one up myself and it is a safer option too.

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Post by g4qber » Thu, 29 Oct 2015, 21:47

the Jaycar dri-box enclosure has finally arrived after 2 years.

this is the combo - power adaptor & dri-box enclosure
http://www.jaycar.com.au/p/MS4048

here is the dri-box enclosure by itself
http://www.jaycar.com.au/p/HB6178

bunnings now sells the ampfibians
http://www.bunnings.com.au/search/produ ... ctFrom=Any
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Post by g4qber » Sat, 31 Oct 2015, 15:13

Just had a thought for BMW owners
Get a 15 amp EVSE and connect it to either the ampfibian / jaycar - 15 to 10 amp adaptor
But set car to 10 or 8 amp charge.
One would only need to carry the portable 15 amp EVSE around.
Previously I was carrying around the
A) BMW 8 amp
B) Holden 10 amp
C) Evseupgrade 15 amp / Clipper Creek 15 amp
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Post by rhills » Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 13:08

Hi All,
Bought a Jaycar 15A-10A converter a bit over 3 years ago when we bought our PHEV. Initially used it occasionally when charging the PHEV from a 10A powerpoint, don't believe it ever got wet. For the past year or so we have had it in a shed and used it to plug in our mobile home when it's not away being mobile.

Today, I plugged it in and it was dead. Well, actually the little orange light on the side lit up, but no power went through to our van and nothing happens when you press the RCD test button.

I see on the Jaycar site that the warranty is only 12 months, but I'd have thought I'd get more than 3 years of relatively light usage out of it.

I'm inclined to replace it with an Ampfibian equivalent as I see they're made in Oz and I prefer to buy Australian Made goods on the rare occasion you can find them these days. Is there any point trying to open it up to see if there's anything fixable inside? I don't expect I could get an electrician to fix it for anywhere near the cost of a replacement so it'd either need to be a "simple and safe" DIY or ditch.
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Post by bmscott » Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 13:19

My answer is "give it a try and see"... sometimes you just get lucky.

The first time I ever saw the insides of a VCR, I happened to fix a mechanical problem with a rubber band (I was maybe 16). Just recently, I fixed a handheld media player (which was an expensive item ~6 yrs ago) by opening it up and discovering the battery problem was just a loose wire.

If it's already dead, what have you got to lose other than a few minutes? Have a look, see if anything jumps out at you - figuratively, one hopes - and if not, bin it.

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Post by mikedufty » Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 13:21

Don't know about the old one, but I happened to notice last week that Bunnings sell the ampfibians, so pretty easy to get one.

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Post by 4Springs » Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 14:22

Try flexing the cord too while plugged in. Watch the light - if there is a wire broken inside the cord it might come on when you flex it. If it is a broken cord then you can replace the cord and plug yourself for a few dollars. No need for an electrician for a plug-in appliance (as long as you pull it apart when it is unplugged!).

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Post by rhills » Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 14:41

Thanks @4Springs. The light comes on all the time and doesn't change with any flexing of the input cable. However, the RCD test button doesn't do anything so I'm guessing the input is OK, but there's either a problem within the RCD relay or between it and the input cable within the box itself.
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Post by 4Springs » Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 14:50

rhills wrote:
Tue, 17 Oct 2017, 14:41
Thanks @4Springs. The light comes on all the time and doesn't change with any flexing of the input cable. However, the RCD test button doesn't do anything so I'm guessing the input is OK, but there's either a problem within the RCD relay or between it and the input cable within the box itself.
Ah, misread your post!
Yes, pull it apart, it might just be a loose wire. Or it might be the RCD, and they are cheap.
Having said that, those Amphibian units are very neat compared to the Jaycar ones...

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