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Outlander PHEV

Posted: Mon, 14 Apr 2014, 03:38
by mcudogs
Just taken delivery of a Mitsubishi Outlander Aspire PHEV. The 1st day of driving I managed 100% EV driving. The configuration of the drive means that if you run in normal mode the petrol engine cuts in every time you accelerate quickly. If you run in eco mode it stays in EV mode until you floor the pedal.

There is plenty of acceleration for a vehicle this size and a towing capacity of 1,500 kg.

I did 120 klms of highway driving today and averaged 3.1 l/100km for the trip. It was 0 l/100km after 42km and then the series hybrid parallel hybrid modes started when the battery was almost depleted.

In parallel hybrid mode the petrol engine drives the front wheels directly along with the generator. In series hybrid mode the petrol engine drives the generator only.

Pure electric range of this car is advertised as 52 kms but if you have the aircon on and drive at highway speeds it's more like 40 kms. However this car suits my driving as 95% of my trips are under 20 kms and I only drive about 3 days a week.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Mon, 14 Apr 2014, 03:46
by jonescg
Nice one! How much all up?

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Mon, 14 Apr 2014, 04:06
by mcudogs
Around $59,000, it's a lot more of a car than the volt and around the same price.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Mon, 14 Apr 2014, 13:18
by g4qber
nice indeed. what colour?
no chademo I presume. International versions have Chademo.

how's the sat nav? imiev's sat nav sometime takes 30 mins or never to lock on. one tip for prospective imiev owners is to get a Boost SIM and let it lapse. one still has access to the whereis telstra network. use this for satnav. one good thing about the imiev satnav is that it has SUNA traffic, volt doesn't have this.

is the EVSE that comes with the car 10A? I will check for myself today when I sent the imiev in for its 45k km service. Hence the specs saying 5 hours to charge the 12kWh batt.

an observation for Aus market, 1 EV in each segment
small - i-MiEV
compact - LEAF, i3
medium - Volt, EREV
SUV - Outlander PHEV
sport - Tesla Roadster
sport sedan - Tesla Model S

somehow the extra cool stuff like Forward Collision Mitigation and Adaptive Cruise Control only come with the Aspire :|

I prefer cloth seats to leather, also less chrome; something learnt from Volt in midday sun. I guess that sort of bling is good for nights and most people wear sunnies at noon.

mitsu has done a good job with the Outlander.
the Aussie volt doesn't even have smart phone app.
and Carwings on LEAF is so unreliable that Nissan is giving it away free after the 3 years.

the joystick selector seems to be very similar to BMW.

I'm tempted to get one myself. Love the up to 800km range. also I may not be bullied as much if I travel at 70kmh in an SUV. In a few years I will be in the seniors age bracket so then I will be forgiven for my relaxed driving attitude. Perhaps we need E plates so that we can travel at efficient speeds.
It is interesting how other road users make allowances for trucks' slow speeds but tend to prey on 70kmh 50cc scooters and cyclists.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Mon, 14 Apr 2014, 14:25
by offgridQLD
If the Imiev is advertised with a 160km range (real world closer to 100km) so roughly 40% less if the Out lander has a 50km range - 40% = 30km range. Yes I know if you potter around and drive like your going for a world record you can get 160km out of a Imiev and most likely just over 50km doing the same thing in the SUV but real world is what counts.

Is 30km going to be worth it? This also assumes you head out with a battery that 100%. Yes I know it can be charged while driving but then your burning fuel.


I think you would be bullied way more in a SUV driving at 70kph in a 100 zone . If people see the Imiev they think "oh it's a little rubbish 800cc 3cyl thing and most likely cant go any faster" "move out of my way!" If they see a modern looking SUV they are going to think "pull your foot of you B*M and find the accelerator peddle"

I always drive at the speed limit on the freeway. If some one has A issue and wants to tailgate a tiny car that's doing the posted speed limit if not slightly above the limit in the left lane then a face full of sudden B mode 100% regen soon has the smoke coming off there front wheels and a fresh set of underpants requiredImage.

Kurt






Outlander PHEV

Posted: Tue, 15 Apr 2014, 01:04
by g4qber
Outlander comes with 10 amp yazaki evse with a 15 amp non weather proof plug.
gear was in bubble wrap.

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Outlander PHEV

Posted: Tue, 15 Apr 2014, 20:49
by offgridQLD
I missed mcudogs post, 42km isn't to bad for freeway. Looks like Mitsubishi have toned down there range advertising to meet more real world conditions.

Considering the RRP price the Imiev is still advertised at I guess the outlander is a lot of car for the price.

Any chance of a 100km trip using just the ICE motor? This would give a worst case scenario fuel consumption.

Just trying relate this kind of car to my own situation. Weekdays lots of small trips under 40km return and a regular 105km trip x 2 on the weekends. The weekdays would have me on pure EV mode but just over 1/2 the weekend trip in pure EV mode. Going by the consumption posted by Mcudogs I would use roughly 3lt x 2 on the weekend . 6lt of fuel a week or about $10 a week.

It will be interesting to find out more and compare how it performs.

Kurt




Outlander PHEV

Posted: Wed, 16 Apr 2014, 00:22
by mcudogs
The smartphone app is a bit restricted. The car will not connect to your home network but becomes a hot spot in itself. You have to disconnect from your home network and then connect to the vehicle before running the app. The hot spot is only active when the car is on ie either charging or turned by the timer or power switch.

I will do some more test runs this weekend to work out fuel consumption at low and high speed. I will also do an efficiency run. I'm officially a senior now so I can drive as slow as I like :)

I will bring it to the Brisbane AEVA meeting tomorrow night if anyone from Bris wants to go for a run.


Outlander PHEV

Posted: Wed, 16 Apr 2014, 00:34
by offgridQLD
Sounds great, look forward to seeing it in person tomorrow night.

Kurt


Outlander PHEV

Posted: Thu, 17 Apr 2014, 15:37
by g4qber
I can't wait to be a senior or perhaps I'm one already?

perhaps we need "S" plates for seniors
and "H" plates for hypermilers.
and "E" for electric/economic
then "SHE" for all three.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sat, 19 Apr 2014, 01:36
by mcudogs
Went for a run today to see what sort of range to expect. I had the air conditioner off and all of the windows down running in ECO mode fully charged.

I didn't do any freeway driving but there was a fair bit of 70-80km/hr limits. I drove in braking mode and used the paddles to do most of the braking. I didn't go super slow and kept up with the flow of traffic at all times.

The engine didn't start at all until I had gone 56km. This will be a fair indication of my range in winter as I usually don't run the air conditioner when it gets cooler. I am very happy with this range as it will mean probably 95% of my driving will be electric.



Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sat, 19 Apr 2014, 03:14
by g4qber
interesting how volt only uses 10.5kWh for up to 87km.
while seems that outlander uses 12kWh for the same?
I wonder if the volt is more efficient than the outlander.
will have to check the MPGe figures from the EPA.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sat, 19 Apr 2014, 04:54
by mcudogs
It's a lot bigger and heavier than the Volt so it's got to use more power.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sat, 19 Apr 2014, 14:22
by g4qber
1810 kg outlander
1721 kg volt

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sat, 19 Apr 2014, 16:05
by g4qber

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sat, 19 Apr 2014, 19:39
by offgridQLD
OK to add more confusion to the eficancy data mitsabishy quote for the outlander.

I noticed on the little window sticker the outlander has 134whr/km the Imiev has 135whr/km on the same sticker. How can this be? It's plain as day that the Imiev would be more efficient just based on the pure size and weight.

So fill me in on how they come up with this whr number as it doesn't add up to me.

So many tricks being played with the consumption ratings that don't paint the full picture or have been rated in same way that isn't comparable to other cars.

Kurt

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 05:53
by g4qber
Got my specs from here
http://www.caradvice.com.au/278791/mits ... -review-2/

PHEV brochure says:
Gross Vehicle Mass (kg)     2310
Kerb Mass (kg)                  1810

<Price & Specifications> link on the PHEV page goes to the Outlander Aspire http://www.caradvice.com.au/mitsubishi/ ... outlander/
1492kg

Holden Specs
http://www.holden.com.au/resources/docu ... e/Volt.pdf

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 14:32
by g4qber
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shot taken at Paceway Mitsu 2 Fridays ago.
Took a test drive of the Aspire PHEV yesterday. Thanks to Peter Miller.
BTW the 2010 i-MiEV is still on its way due to the train derailment.
Drives like a car
ie. doesn't feel big, but I haven't driven a Land Cruiser yet.

seat belt covers are the same though, so may get rough after a few years.
things I like about it.
flick rearview mirror
single button for a/c recirculation.
satnav has speed limit posted discreetly in top right corner, not sure if over speed voice warning is possible as in i-MiEV's Eclipse
keyless entry
front grab handles
indicator relays that are independent of the infotainment system; unlike the volt - can't hear that one is turning when there is a satnav instruction.
Yazaki 10A EVSE uses standard 15 Amp plug. Need to ask Peter if Mitsu will allow use of Holden 10A EVSE on the outlander.

no spare wheel, but puncture repair kit.

regen doesn't seem as strong as the i, but perhaps it is a heavier car.
pull & hold the right paddle to get back to D mode
there are 6 B modes - 0 to 5, 5 = most regen. would be interesting to check B5 on Greenmount Hill

Electric seats in Aspire PHEV reminds me of Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets.
Adjusting the electric seats in the Saab 900 convertible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXHxg6Ug9GM

Perhaps they can get Jack to advertise the electric seats on the PHEV.
Didn't realise that Cuba Gooding Jnr was in the movie.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 14:40
by Adverse Effects
1.9Lt for 100Km ?

ok if they want to clam that i want to see them drive 500Km nonstop and only use 10Lt

yes i know they used the EV part and dont count that

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 14:48
by offgridQLD
So it has a 12kwh battery capacity and a 52km range.

12,000whr / 52 = 230whr km not 134!

230whr/km is being generous as that doesn't take into consideration charging losses. I would have a guess it would be closer to 250whr/km+ plug to wheel.

The Imiev sticker said 135whr/km and it actual gets that plug to wheel.

That's why I feel that sticker is misleading unless some one can explain something I am missing?

Kurt

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 14:55
by g4qber
On US model,

http://www.mitsubishi-outlander-phev.co ... 0specs.pdf

somehow it is a weighted average?
full charge 193 Wh/km
min charge 13 Wh/km
weighted 134 Wh/km

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 15:04
by offgridQLD
Ok so 134whr/km is in hybrid mode using fuel to subsidise the electricity consumption. If you drove in pure Ev mode it who I'll be much more.

Their not telling fibs just not painting the full picture.

Kurt

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 16:25
by mcudogs
The battery is 12kw/hr but you can only use about 10kw/hr. Every full charge I have done so far equates to a little under 10kw/hr. With charger efficiency under 100% that means the figures are more reasonable.

Outlander PHEV

Posted: Sun, 20 Apr 2014, 18:40
by offgridQLD
OK that sounds reasonable. They are keeping SOC to 20% min. So in the 190whr km range.

Don't get me wrote g considering the size/weight of the car that's actually very good.

It's just the sticker that could be misleading.


So if it was a pure ev with a 24kwh pack it would have a 100km range.

I wonder if the battery cells are the same size 50ah as the imiev. If they become popular in Au it could be a option for replacement cells.

Kurt


Outlander PHEV

Posted: Wed, 23 Apr 2014, 01:33
by Gabz
I took the outlander for a test drive today at Cessnock Mitsubishi it had very little battery left. so it was really a hybrid not an EV. the regenerative breaking seems to be very weak compared to B mode in the i

I left the salesman with a bunch of AEVA pamphlets