Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 22:48

Thanks but what is your 60Ah ?
They also have a NCM 3.68v 78Ah ( 150mm X W40mm X H98mm) , that fits in the LEV dimensions.

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 22:51

First work should be adapting the temperature sensor to another cell.

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by mark_hetho » Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 08:01

I can't find the 78Ah model you refer to, but those dimensions seem ideal, and 78Ah would be a good step up without wasting too much if the BMS only recognises 60ah.

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by jonescg » Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 09:46

3.6V60Ah-NMC.pdf
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 23:57

mark_hetho wrote:
Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 08:01
I can't find the 78Ah model you refer to, but those dimensions seem ideal, and 78Ah would be a good step up without wasting too much if the BMS only recognises 60ah.
You are right, everything doesn't seem to be on their website but they have it ! It is made by LiYuan.

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Fri, 20 Sep 2019, 00:14

And what do you think of that https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... abb1m2ubNA
No.  Items                    Specifications
1    Nominal Voltage          3.7V
2    Nominal Capacity         72Ah
3    Standard Charge Current  0.2C
4    Max. Charge Current      1C
5    Continuous Discharge Current 2C
6    Peak Discharge Current   4C
7    Charge Cut-off Voltage   4.2V
8    Discharge Cut-off Voltage 2.75V
9    Inner Resistance         0.5mΩ-1mΩ
10   Weight                   1.25kg
11   Dimension                Length: 91mm
                              Width: 149mm
                              Thickness:  38mm
12   Operating Temperature    Charging: 0°C ~ 45°C
                              Discharging: -20°C ~ 55°C
13   Storage Temperature      optimal store temperature of 23 ± 5°C for long term storage
14   Life Cycle               >2500 times
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Sun, 22 Sep 2019, 21:00

jonescg wrote:
Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 09:46
3.6V60Ah-NMC.pdf
Thanks for the datasheet...
Size : (L148x H133x W27mm)

The height is about 20mm more than the original, Does it fit ?
What are the real maximum dimensions we can accept ?

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by jonescg » Sun, 22 Sep 2019, 21:15

That should only matter for the ones sitting right-way-up in the middle of the battery pack. All others are normally on their sides, but these can be made to work standing upright.
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Sat, 19 Oct 2019, 17:54

Chinese batteries always charge max to 1C...
The BMS of the miev charge at 125A for several minutes.
Hard to find a battery that takes this in the bev2 format.

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Sat, 19 Oct 2019, 17:57

If the miev could be the first open source car it would be easier to make the right firmware and update and upgrade it every day !

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by elamigo » Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 08:59

Hello,
I doing similar mod with 18650 cells. Did you finished it?

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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by jonescg » Mon, 25 Nov 2019, 08:49

No, but I am about to start fitting these cells to the iMiEV battery tray. How did your cells work out?
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by tonyw » Mon, 25 Nov 2019, 17:32

Chris,
Seriously looking forward to hearing how you get on with this project. The battery in my 2010 car is now down to about 80 km range and I will need a rework plan soon. Pity we are so far apart or else I could help.
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by nuggetgalore » Mon, 25 Nov 2019, 18:11

tonyw wrote:
Mon, 25 Nov 2019, 17:32
Chris,
Seriously looking forward to hearing how you get on with this project. The battery in my 2010 car is now down to about 80 km range and I will need a rework plan soon. Pity we are so far apart or else I could help.
Same here, just today I did a few errands (84 km) and ended up with 6 km on the guessometer from full charge .But it was all in slowish traffic,pleasant warm day.
I get probably 20 or so km less with a bit of freeway at 100 km/h and even less on a cold miserable day (yes we get those in Melbourne,lol).
Very keen to learn how those cells fit and perform.
Maybe have to offer Chris a free trip to the eastern states to do a few retro fits.....
there is always a spare room here.
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by jonescg » Mon, 25 Nov 2019, 20:00

I'm still yet to really clear a space and get started, and at some point I won't be able to proceed unless I have a working pack in front of me, but I plan on using the 60 Ah cells like so:
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The difficulty will be making sure the BMS sits neatly on top, and all the main conductors can link together without a fuss.
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by tonyw » Wed, 27 Nov 2019, 05:17

Will they fit into the plastic baskets, or will you have to support them with a bespoke container?
Is that an empty basket sitting on top in that picture?
[Replace "Basket" with your preferred description]
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by jonescg » Wed, 27 Nov 2019, 06:38

No, its going to need a custom basket. I might just ust threaded rods and aluminum extrusion.
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by dracekvo » Tue, 03 Dec 2019, 16:05

Whot mean about this solution?
https://elektroauto-forum.de/kleinanzei ... werden.93/

One LEV50 = 25pcs 18650. On DC charging 5A on one cell. How long will be works?

Any way how to hack DC chademo and limit him to 30kW?

My battery have 30.9Ah after 74 kkm. Year 2012. I mean, battery replace solution is close for me. My range is now about 70-80 km. I install petrol heater for winter driving.
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Re: Aftermarket iMiEV battery upgrade project

Post by Pierantoine » Wed, 04 Dec 2019, 20:46

Congratulations I really want to see next steps and first tests !

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