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Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Mon, 18 Nov 2013, 22:45
by marty11
Slated for sometime in 2014 in the US, and 120 mile range (Expect 90 miles under Real World conditions.

So Quick Charge capability, 27 kwh battery..

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Kia Soul EV in US 2014

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Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 03:47
by carnut1100
Won't come here....just like Spark.

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 06:51
by acmotor
27kWh and only 90 EPA miles (forget the 120 miles I guess)
So 187.5Wh/km thirsty little thing. That is more than a Tesla model S isn't it ?

"Recharging times are up to five hours for a fully depleted battery using a standard 240v outlet, or 25 minutes on ‘fast’ charge with 100 kW output."
Wow, 100kW DC fast charger. Yep, they are getting bigger. That is a 3 phase mains feed at more than 150A per phase you realise.

27kWh in 5 hours of 240V so probably a 32A / 6.6kW on board charger.

I really would expect these to have been in Korea for a few years before they exported them ?

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Tue, 19 Nov 2013, 19:09
by carnut1100
Tesla S is listed as 188 Wh/km.

In the hills around my place the best I have ever got from the iMiev has been 150, the worst (heater on max, lights on high, full throttle over the hills...) was 220 an. My average is 170-180.

Wall to wheel numbers.

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Thu, 21 Nov 2013, 13:13
by evric
I got 150Wh/km in a borrowed VOLT yesterday... 30km of city driving. This was from the figures from the console "Metering".

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Thu, 21 Nov 2013, 16:20
by acmotor
evric wrote: I got 150Wh/km in a borrowed VOLT yesterday... 30km of city driving. This was from the figures from the console "Metering".


So not plug to wheel ? the number that matters. Need to measure the recharge energy from a power point at recharge.
g4qber in his volt has recorded 230Wh/km plug to wheel.

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 00:38
by offgridQLD
I'm getting 100 - 115whr km average from the Imiev. wall plug to wheels that works out at 120wh - 123whr km .

That said the Imiev has a 200kg 16kwh battery, If that battery was increased to 27kwh and weighed say 350kg I wonder what the whr-km would increase to carrying the extra 150kg. I guess the same as it dose with two 75kg adults in the back.

Kurt

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 15:02
by Johny
The Vogue weighs about the same as the iMiev and if I add 150kg to it's weight (with only 80kg driver in car) I lose about 5% range at 80km/h (according to spreadsheet).

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Fri, 22 Nov 2013, 16:07
by offgridQLD
Ok so not to bad then. Terrain - elevation gain would be the biggest factor when adding weight.

Once you get the weight rolling on the freeway if its flat there is little difference other than slight friction increase from tires rolling resistance. Climb some hills or get stuck in a lot of stop start driving and I'm sure the difference would be more.

A larger battery is under less stress if the motor demand is kept the same due to the lower C discharge rates so there is some advantage there. Im not sure what the ideal balance is (most likely not more than you need). There is the odd time when it would be great if the Imiev had 20kwh just to arrive at the destination with slightly higher SOC and lower cycle depth.That said if it had 20kwh perhaps i would start wanting 26kwh.At this stage I would prefer to have two 16kwh battery's spread out for 10 years service life for each pack for a total of 20 years vs one 32kwh battery that last 10 years. Its a better spread of the battery funds.

Kurt

Kia Soul EV 120 mile range 2014

Posted: Sun, 24 Nov 2013, 06:23
by carnut1100
20kWh would be perfect for me....in my hilly area I haven't got Vetter than 150wh/km wall to wheel and I often get home on 20% and sometimes less...that bit extra would be very nice.
That said, I can work with what I have.