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Post by marcopolo » Sat, 10 Dec 2011, 19:55

Well done, Varney Electric Vehicles !

Varney is the sort of corporation, Australia (or any country) can be truly proud of having as a corporate citizen. The Varney Group of Companies have well deserved a reputation for integrity and quality for over 125 years.

I think that the 300 klm option will find sufficient Australian and New Zealand buyers to be profitable. The RHD configuration is an advantage in several export markets for exotic vehicles in the Asia Pacific region.

But I suspect, that for Varney, this vehicle is simply to showcase the companies more mundane, (but high quality) products! .

It's a relief to be able to show Australian innovation and engineering in a more positive light than the dubious antics of the Sydney hopefuls, covered a few articles back!

Australia has a history of producing quite successful independent sportscar builders, Bowell, Eureka etc. In addition GM, Ford and Chrysler produced locally designed performance GT's and coupes.

Oh, BTW, this vehicle is entirely financed out of the Varney Groups own resources, no taxpayer loans or grants! At only $220,000 it 's cheaper than the Tesla roadster in Australia.

Again, congratulations to the Varney Group


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Post by Richo » Tue, 03 Jan 2012, 02:15

So it uses two ironless motors from Ultramotive and the wavesculptor from Tritium.
24kWh of batteries using Tritiums BMS.

Here is the link http://www.varleyevr.com/

Orders taken from Jan 2012 so get your $200k out and buy it!

Note: The reason it cost $200k is cos they are using the non-Australian Brusa battery charger Image
So the short answer is NO but the long answer is YES.
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Post by marcopolo » Tue, 03 Jan 2012, 17:11

Richo

Most automobiles, with very rare exceptions, use internationally sourced components.

The main point is that it's an Australian made EV, designed to display Varley's considerable specialist EV expertise.

As Ross Blade has discovered, Australia is a notoriously difficult mass market for Australian produced goods, especially EV's. A bespoke vehicle of this nature, creates prestige and international interest, publicising both Varley and Australia.

Varley deserve to be congratulated.   

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Post by Adverse Effects » Sat, 24 Mar 2012, 01:03

hehehe well there still around and still haven't got anything for sale

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Post by marcopolo » Sat, 24 Mar 2012, 17:35

Varney have quite a range of EV's for sale, and have for over 120 years!

The EV supercar, is produced to order. Order your car from Varney, (and pay your deposit) and Varney will build it for you!

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Post by bladecar » Sun, 25 Mar 2012, 14:59

I can't resist: It is Varley, isn't it.

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Post by bladecar » Sun, 25 Mar 2012, 15:33

Look, I'm not allowed to buy the supercar (or the Tesla) because, let's face it, beauty is in the eye of the beholder   ...   and the cost.

However, if we have over 2000 members on this forum and we can get 2000 of them to contribute $110 each, we could all own one, somewhere in the country (who's got it now?).

So, it would be registered by the AEVA as a company car, or an organisation car. It would not be insured. (The question was asked about the cost of registering a Lambourgini Aventatore (however you spell it). The answer was that the cost of insuring depended on how many other very expensive things you intended to insure, along with it. So! We couldn't afford to insure it.

So, if we get, say, 2000 contributors, each person would get to write their name (each letter of their writing must not be greater than 4cm in height, say) on the body-work in weather-proof marker - it goes without saying that this car would not remain in perfect condition for long.

However, they would get to write their name and they would get to drive the car for the amount of time in a day that the rest of the time would be required to fully charge the vehicle.

It would have a number plate of VARNEY (to fool the population) and to please followers of "On The Buses".

Ongoing costs would be carried by all contributors, but crash damage would be undertaken by the factory and the crasher would be mentioned online for quite some time, on, into the future.

Also, all would contribute to the costs of a private detective when we wanted to know where the vehicle "really was, currently".

It could not spend more than one night at a contributors favoured location and it could not be requisitioned by the estab for so-called pr events.

Problems arise for those who actually have nowhere to keep it overnight or while charging. Possibly, they get to drive it for half the usual time and must deliver it to the next indicated owner who DOES HAVE an appropriate location for these activities.

All owners would know, by ballot, which day in the next 2000 days (5 years or so) that THEIR CAR would be arriving for their own personal use. Actually, I now realise that localities would have to be balloted and, once that was done, persons lying within that locality would be balloted, probably up to a certain number in order for the supercar to travel short distances to the next owner.

The car would be maintained (in standard original condition) by the AEVA, after a requisite learning curve, so that all owners would know the real experience of their supercar.

Ok, I've come up with the ideas, now you need to work out how we do it.

p.s. I do like yellow.

p.p.s. I've just come to my senses and realise that there is one other necessary requirement. A dedicated person (some old coot who would like nothing better, has time on their hands and who likes travel and people) would have to accompany the car at all times (except when charging in an appropriate place). After all, we couldn't have the majors rip in with an AEVA member and spend their day disassembling and reassembling our beloved supercar.

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Post by bladecar » Sun, 25 Mar 2012, 15:41


The OTHER thing that I should have put up for scrutiny is the obvious move to approach the company and ask them for an on-the-road cost if they supply 2000(+) supercars to ALL the members of the AEVA.


If we could all agree on that, I'd still recommend against insurance, other than 3rd party, but extra-careful treatment would be required (as with the other idea).

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Post by marcopolo » Sun, 25 Mar 2012, 19:38

Ooops, sometimes auto spell-check isn't your best friend ! Varley is indeed correct, (although I liked the reference to "On The Buses").

The Tesla S in RHD, is only available in 2014, and even then in only the two top models. This will price a Tesla S at over $A190,000.

The first of the Japanese build, RHD, Nissan Leaf with be available later this year priced at over $52,000 (on road).

Having driven both cars, I would say the Leaf is marginally superior to the Blade, but not so superior as to justify the extra expense. If you have an ABN, Blade's battery lease contract, becomes a very attractive option!

GM-Holden are contemplating a number of future options involving Hybrid technology for the Australian-built Cruse. However, any hybrid is unlikely to involve Voltec technology, but an older and simpler, Hybrid drive-train.

The best 'value-for-money' will be the US built Volt. GM-H will sell the Volt at a similar price to the Leaf, but Volt's greater versatility and greater adaptability, should make the GM product more acceptable to Australian conditions, (especially in Sydney), than the Nissan Leaf.

The Australian Government once again lost the opportunity to have the upmarket Buick Ampera, (Volt's better looking European version) built in Australia. This export oriented vehicle, would have provided the rationale to produce a locally built Holden Ampera.

AVEA, may have 2000 contributors to this forum, but it's disappointing that no serious EV manufacturers belong. In fact, this is largely the fault of some AVEA members who see EV technology as an extension of extreme left/green political philosophy.

Naturally, this attitude alienates more moderate EV supporters and does great harm to the cause of EV adoption. Any unbiased reader of this thread would amazed at the animosity displayed toward Australia's EV pioneer, Ross Blade. Unlike the Conservative Government of the UK, Australian Governments, have no interest in EV technology. No major Australian political party is even vaguely interested in EV's technology, including the Greens.

Those politicians who were interested, have realised that EVs (and the environment) no longer attract votes. This is largely a result of the electorate being alienated by sanctimonious lecturing by over-zealous extremists peddling a combination of distorted science and out-dated leftist propaganda, disguised as environmental policies.

In the public image, EV's are erroneously indentified as part of this failed dogma.

Instead of being an exciting new technology, with a glamorous sexy image, (Tesla, Fisker-Karma, Volt, Renault/ Nissan), EVs are identified as a negative, killjoy technology, propounded by hypocritical extremists. Certainly not something that the government should support with tax-payer funding.

If Blade fails, it won't be from any lack of passion or commitment from Ross Blade, but to the delight of many posters on this forum !

Ross must feel the old saying is very true, "with friends like these, who needs enemies!".     

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Post by bladecar » Mon, 26 Mar 2012, 17:55

Hi,

At the Brisbane AEVA conference and car show, I was truly struck by the degree of venom from at least 2 different attendees when any mention of Ross Blade and his vehicles came up. There must be a reason for this and it must be truly significant as I detected out-and-out hate in what I was hearing.
Anyway, I have no idea what could cause individuals to develop these sentiments.

You know that the US Government passes on the results of BILLIONS of dollars of US Government-funded research to US companies, because they know it is good for the country. All that research costing all that money NOT borne by US companies, and the amazing advantages it gives those companies.



I request that contributors make comments regarding whether they see the merit in trying to allow ANY local manufacturer to be treated FAIRLY, no matter what you think of their products. No one has to buy.

And so, as a soon-to-be owner of a Mk6 Electron, I'll pass on the following.


"Labour has closed yet another Australian manufacturing opportunity!

Would you like to drive this Australian designed and built sports cars?

http://www.devauxcars.com/index.html

Well, you can’t and here’s why...

Blade wants to manufacture this brilliant Australian car in low volume BUT based on DOTARS advice that will never happen unless there is a public outcry to exempt Low Volume manufacture licenses (25 vehicles per year) from Electronic Stability Control (a $2 million plus set up cost).

Has Blade made an effort to obtain ESC you ask? Since 2010 Blade has repeatedly tried to obtain this safety technology. However, in Australia it’s controlled by one company and they continue to put up barriers to prevent Blade’s access. In short, Blade is prevented from getting ESC.
How is all this relevant to you as an Electron owner, a supplier to BEV or a prospective electric Devaux Sports buyer? BEV has been the subject of illegal bans and misuse of market power since 2009. This translates into less support for owners, less purchases from Australian suppliers and no Devaux Sports car.

Blade’s management and staff are fed up with our elected officials handing OUR tax dollars to foreign giants then turning a blind eye while these rich companies deny us access to our own market.

The people at DOTARS are marvellous and it would be helpful if you sent them a positive note expressing your desire to see low volume manufacturing licenses exempted from ESC: Umesh.Shamdasani@infrastructure.gov.au

Also a fax to the ACCC asking them to look into the attached allegations would also help.

Mr Rodd Simms
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Level 35, The Tower
360 Elizabeth Street
Melbourne Central
Melbourne Vic 3000

Fax: (03) 9663 3699



Thank you in advance for any support you may be able to provide.

This is an open letter and you may pass it on.

Regards,

Ross Blade
Director
Blade Electric Vehicles Pty Ltd
2 Hitchcock St
Castlemaine VIC 3450"



I am passing this on because, in a country that takes unpopular action in the name of competition (even while acknowledging that there IS NO level playing field in the world), our own Government seems to allow anti-competitive behaviour to occur because it is an easy path. It doesn't seem to matter which Government we have (which is why politics has become so difficult lately - Which one is which?)

















   

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Post by Richo » Mon, 26 Mar 2012, 20:58

So the short answer is NO but the long answer is YES.
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Post by Johny » Mon, 26 Mar 2012, 21:21

"Electronic stability control prevents drivers from losing control of their cars by braking individual wheels to keep the nose of the vehicle pointing in the driver's intended direction."

Curious use of the word "prevents". Although, as a driver of a Classic car I already contend everyday with drivers that appear to think they are invunerable with airbags, ABS, ESC and a goodly pinch of "I'm alright Jack - bugger you".

Personally (yep, rant on), I think that more could be done by requiring endorsed licences for vehicles heavier than 2 tonn. Those ones driven by blondes (of both sexes) who have a tendency to wear sunglasses in their hair and drive their Tonka toy like it's a sports car.

OK - I'll stop now....

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Post by bladecar » Wed, 28 Mar 2012, 13:01

MarcoPolo said:

"The first of the Japanese build, RHD, Nissan Leaf with be available later this year priced at over $52,000 (on road).

Having driven both cars, I would say the Leaf is marginally superior to the Blade, but not so superior as to justify the extra expense. If you have an ABN, Blade's battery lease contract, becomes a very attractive option!"


I guess you must have driven a Mk 5 or earlier Blade Electron. The Mk 6 will be significantly more powerful and its optional gears will be more versatile, ie, 2nd will be good for 0 - 100 where 1st should truly be a low speed power gear.

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Post by AMPrentice » Wed, 28 Mar 2012, 19:44

Just so we are clear about taxpayers and australian...In America 60% of its population is employed through the defence force and Australia is heading in the same direction, so Hunter will always have employment if it continues like it has in recent years with mainly defence force contracts to fund its business growth. We the taxpayers shelling out money for a corrupt industry run by the Feds and where higher decisions are made in the boardrooms of multinational and international Corporations while politicians just play ball is not to be taken lightly as a good thing.

quote" Varley is still involved in the waterfront industries that made its name but much of the company’s work in recent years has been in defence and rescue service vehicle building." Read "Much" which means yes taxpayers dollars to line the pockets of an insidious industry. So definitely not free of taxpayers $$$ pouring into its defence targetted vehicles and products.

Not to blame Hunter or Varley they are a business and it just playing the game it needs to due to the markets been dictated by a capitalist system where the Banks play their chess games and chooses the puppet leaders to continue to screw the masses & support a criminal hierarchy. The masses are kept distracted with gay issues, carbon tax and other useless diversions as long as we vote for another useless puppet every 3 years and give them a blank check.

At the end of the day its good to see another EV by any company yet I feel strongly that with all the money and resources it has it should only be labeled as "Australian made" if it supports its local engineers and products which we have plenty of but not often supported like in this case. Otherwise its an Australian made concept and by the looks of it a mismash of stereotypical past racing cars without any of its own design DNA to say its different.

While Blade is almost a one man band in comparison for achieving what he has in such short time and local content is as good as he can afford to be competitive in such a small niche market as Australia.

If Varley indeed revolutionise EVs with their special motor which will be a mean feat then they will make me proud of their Aussie ingenuity. However its tough when even bigger wigs rely on oil and will pay to protect it.

As for it been a Supercar that can challenge a Tesla, wheres the track figures and popular racing car drivers review? For 200K there are a plenty of small outfits in almost every state that could build something even more uniquely styled and have almost total Australian content bar the batteries.
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Post by Richo » Wed, 28 Mar 2012, 20:53

Don't get confused.
Varley are only contributing the battery and chassis.
Most of the other main parts are sourced in Australia except the Brusa charger as I pointed out earlier.
So the short answer is NO but the long answer is YES.
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Post by evric » Wed, 28 Mar 2012, 22:34

The chassis and body come from www.superlitecars.com in the US.
So what's left - motor and controller from Australia ?
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Post by marcopolo » Wed, 28 Mar 2012, 23:48

In America 60% of its population is employed through the defence force and Australia is heading in the same direction... We the taxpayers shelling out money for a corrupt industry run by the Feds and where higher decisions are made in the boardrooms of multinational and international Corporations while politicians just play ball is not to be taken lightly as a good thing...(rant, snort, rant.) ....capitalist system where the Banks play their chess games and chooses the puppet leaders to continue to screw the masses & support a criminal hierarchy. The masses are kept distracted with gay issues,...(snort,rant, snort).


This is exactly the sort of drivel which drives general public support away from EV's, and green issues in general.

In 2008, alternate energy, EV's, environmental issues, climate change, etc, was at the height of public awareness, both politically and commercially.

Four years later, and the general public has grown weary of wildly exaggerated hype, weird claims, bad science mixed with fanatical old leftist ideology, and just plain bad manners and intolerance.

The virtues of green technology have been lost in the disappointments of over-zealous claims, failures, irrelevant conspiracy theories, etc..

This is reflected in the decrease of consumer interest with environmentally beneficial products, and 'green' politics.

Without popular support, the entire 'green' movement, including EV's, will dissipate back into small irrelevant groups of fanatics, quarrelling with one another, on the fringes of society.

Imagine being a member of the general public, and being confronted by AMP's barrage of ranting? This is why no serious EV manufacturer (or advocate) belongs, posts, or contributes to AEVA. Blade-car's observation is correct, why would they expose themselves to abuse and fanaticism?

I have tried in vain to make EV supporters and enthusiasts, understand that unless this sort of craziness is abandoned, and a more rational approach adopted, Joe Public will grow weary and lose interest.

Sadly, that's exactly what has occurred!

In the recent Queensland election, Bob Katter's Australia Party gained more votes than the Greens! Bob Katter's policies are simplistic and largely incomprehensible, but the electorate must have become very disenchanted indeed, to prefer the antics of Bob Katter, to the Greens !

How did the environment fall out of favour, so quickly?

IMO,

1) Lack of focus on priorities.
2) Hypocrisy
3) Overzealous, arrogant supporters and advocates.
4) lack of inclusiveness.     
5) lack of relevance.

The Federal ALP's Carbon Tax and similar measures, totally lack popular support. Such policies are seen as expensive empty gestures, more about ideology than effective programmes.

If a federal election were held today the ALP and the Greens would be devastated.

It's up to every EV supporter to decide what's important, to persuade Joe Public of the virtues of EV technology, or attempt to push unpopular ideology.

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Post by AMPrentice » Sat, 31 Mar 2012, 02:09

US sourced chassis and body ummm explains the tackiness for a 21st century supercar, very LA 90s styling instead.

MPolo, It doesnt hurt to get your some facts right before blowing your horn for incorrect reasons and stand corrected when it just plain fact that defense money comes from us the taxpayers while the big wigs will avoid in every way possible to pay the correct tax rate eg. mining, energy, pharmaceuticals and weapons industry.
We are headed for a Bush/obama like era in our country where we save jobs by bailing out ICE building companies like Ford and Holden.
Tax payers have funded this project in some way through their wealth acquired through Defense contracts whether you like it or not.
Blade on the other hand has fought hard and long for Gov. grants in order to showcase it brilliance and still come out with no profit.
I and many people who know the facts wont happily support any company that relies from increased defense spending.

G Orwell once said: "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - In your case you are full of it.

Here its called a forum where real people with critical opinions hang out and thats the beauty of bio-diversity, not just about sheep brainwashed by hierarchical garbage that hide behind criminal laws that protect their relentless drive for growth wealth and power at any cost to the environment and society.
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Post by marcopolo » Sat, 31 Mar 2012, 19:27

AMPrentice wrote: not just about sheep brainwashed by hierarchical garbage that hide behind criminal laws that protect their relentless drive for growth wealth and power at any cost to the environment and society.


The tenor of your post is an excellent example of sort of response that drives most people away from environmental causes.

You are fond Quotes, well Talleyrands comment, "they forgot nothing and learned nothing", applies to your way of thinking.



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Post by AMPrentice » Sun, 01 Apr 2012, 18:28

You are regurgitating what I stated about you in the past but not unexpected of you, again its your single minded careless accusations and opinions thats annoyed members away even calling you a "Wxnker" in past threads.

As for environmental causes we dont need supercars and most of us are tired of horn blowing companies and band wagon sheep that dont target the everyday consumer into the belief they can consider an EV for their next car purchase.

If they built several 100km range commuter Evs or even Rickshaws it would be more constructive for our changing civilisations. At what point are you going to realise that selling Testla wannabees or competitors is not going to work when they havent even sold one!
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Post by marcopolo » Sun, 01 Apr 2012, 19:07

AMPrentice wrote: If they built several 100km range commuter Ev's


So what colour is your new, or used, Blade Electron ?

You just don't learn do you? The vast majority, (well probably no one) don't want to be abused and lectured by offencive fanatics.

Take a reality check, add up the number of EV's sold in Australia, it barely out numbers Labour MP's in Queensland. (and they are almost extinct!). The only two Australian EV manufacturers have nothing to do with you because of they don't wish to be associated with your behaviour! The AEVA hasn't recruited the support of a single influential politician, or Industry figure.

People write to me after reading AVEA, complaining about the extreme views and offencive attitudes of some AVEA members.

That's why Australia has no charging infrastructure, no tax relief, no incentives. Because outside of a few hobbyists, there is no public support for EV's. This is partly due to the realatively cheap price of gasoline and LPG, but mostly because of the lack of an effective lobby group.

Once the GM Volt is on sale, it should rekindle the passion in some consumers. Like the hybrid, these owners will buy the advantages of EV technology, without having to associate with ill-mannered fanatics.    

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Post by AMPrentice » Tue, 03 Apr 2012, 03:52

We dont need supercars that look like 80s kit cars simple.

The fact is like I said the tax payers pay for defense contracts so you got it wrong stop accept and find some humility it will do you good. Just like you wrote so many times Varney instead of Varley you are wrong dont blame the spell checker you were wrong, simple.

Blame the forum critics all you like but its your Egopiniating thats not needed here. Fanatics dont want the crap thats making all the generations of tax go towards defense, mining and handouts to the heavy polluters. Yet Beyond Zero get SFA from the Gov. Fanatic and Radical is giving complete power to one leader every 3 years to be elected and then go against all the promises made now thats fanatical.

Any politician or party will not help anyone but the corporate big wigs, thats the fact of life. You think all the lobbying in the world is going to change the industry to adopt Evs? No big wig will allow it simple. Labour or liberal they are the same garbage they just allow any Corporation to come in and rape this land and its people. Its happening now and it wont stop whether some big defense budget pocket lined company makes a supercar or not. The mentality is controlled by the Media, the masses are controlled by corrupt politicians at the mercy of corporations.

The winner in any court hearing is the one with the most money. Money is Justice and EVs dont bring money to Oil companies and mining. When Oil goes though the roof people will look at EVs but not before looking at economic ICE vehicles and for now fuel is still affordable for ICE lovers its that simple.

People write to you to complain about the fair opinions of individuals? you couldnt even spell Varley and blame your spell checker.I can just imagine "Dear Nanny pls stop the EV forum people from having opinions" - Marco Polo Nanny you are a joke!
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Post by marcopolo » Tue, 03 Apr 2012, 18:32

@ AMP prentice,

Are you having some kind of mental breakdown ?

Do you really imagine that anyone, outside of a tiny group of your fellow fanatics, want to listen to such delusional ranting?

EV adoption requires mass acceptance of EV technology. That means, mass support by ordinary members of the public listening to rational advocates, demonstrating the benefits to the ordinary motorist of EV transport.

No one wants to be exposed to abuse, and delusional rantings. Such behaviour only serves to make the task of EV adoption much harder.

Seek professional help, before all that bile destroys your life.

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