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Post by EmpowerRepower » Sun, 21 May 2017, 21:42

Hi, I'm putting together an EV display for the WED Festival at Maroochydore on June 4th, and updating some signs. I'm thinking that there are some PHEVS available in Australia that I should list, other than the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Can anyone suggest what models are available to buy here?

My BEV/PHEV list so far is:
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model X
BMW i3
Leaf (2nd hand)
iMiev (2nd hand)
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
???

As far as BEV/PHEVS that will be available here in the next few years, I have:
Tesla Model 3
Hyundai Ioniq PHEV and BEV


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Post by Bryce » Sun, 21 May 2017, 23:52

Additions I know of:
Current: BMWi8; Renault Kangoo ZE (by request direct from Renault Australia); BYD E6; some EV buses (BYD?) inc AVASS bus built in Avalon (near Melb)
Coming: Renault Zoe (late 2017 or early 2018)

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Post by jonescg » Mon, 22 May 2017, 00:45

Linda from Vfacts recently told me that there has been some confusion as to what constituted a PHEV. Up until last month they were not counting the Audi eTron as a PHEV because it's primary source of power was the 4 cylinder IC engine, and the 25-30 km electric range wasn't enough to park it in the "Plug-In" vehicle camp.
So they are still sorting this out.
Otherwise I'd say the only genuine PHEVs are the Holden Volt, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and the BMW i8.
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Post by wattsaname » Mon, 22 May 2017, 03:09

To my mind, if it has an ICE but can also be powered by an electric motor and is rechargeable by plugging in then that defines it as a PHEV regardless of electric range. Furthermore, for people who drive very short distances and can recharge at home, even a very low electric ranged PHEV may be sufficient for them to travel mostly on electricity, thus the 4 cylinder engine is only used for occasional long distance travel or emergency backup.

I suggest that the following vehicles which are already on the road in Australia be added to the list:

Audi A3 etron
BMW i8
BMW 330e
BMW X5 40e
Mercedes C350e

There may also be other models out there by now (eg Volvo's PHEV must be close) ?
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Post by antiscab » Mon, 22 May 2017, 05:37

wattsaname wrote: for people who drive very short distances and can recharge at home, even a very low electric ranged PHEV may be sufficient for them to travel mostly on electricity, thus the 4 cylinder engine is only used for occasional long distance travel or emergency backup.


The problem with that is small batteries relative to the vehicle tend to have a short service life (in terms of lifetime km), due to the amount of stress they have to deal with

One example would be the Ford Energi.
I haven't seen the plugin Prius real world service the life yet, though I wouldn't hold my breath. A HEV battery gets used intermittently, a PHEV battery gets used continuously
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Post by g4qber » Mon, 22 May 2017, 13:52

Also Volvo XC90 T8 "twin engine"

Mercedes-Benz C350e, GLE500e, S500e plug-in hybrids on sale in Australia
http://www.caradvice.com.au/461966/merc ... australia/


Porsche Panamera and cayenne e-hybrids
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Post by reecho » Tue, 23 May 2017, 03:47

antiscab wrote:
wattsaname wrote: for people who drive very short distances and can recharge at home, even a very low electric ranged PHEV may be sufficient for them to travel mostly on electricity, thus the 4 cylinder engine is only used for occasional long distance travel or emergency backup.


The problem with that is small batteries relative to the vehicle tend to have a short service life (in terms of lifetime km), due to the amount of stress they have to deal with


The Outlander PHEV only goes down to 30% SOC at any time. Should be good for the batts under normal circumstances..

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Post by wattsaname » Thu, 25 May 2017, 15:37

jonescg wrote: Otherwise I'd say the only genuine PHEVs are the Holden Volt, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and the BMW i8.


I missed this in my earlier posting so am now asking any viewers to see whether there is consensus: "what design criteria do you think is necessary for a PHEV to be classed as genuine ?"
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Post by Johny » Thu, 25 May 2017, 15:45

To be able to be charged externally - regardless of battery pack size.
Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle => PHEV. Kind of says it all doesn't it?

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Post by jonescg » Thu, 25 May 2017, 17:52

I agree, it's just that Vfacts wasn't counting the Porsche as a PHEV, for example as it's electric only range was less than the average Australian commute (38 km).

Plug-in Hybrid is a description of the Electric Vehicle, suggesting Electric Vehicle is the defining feature of the car, and that it's a plug-in hybrid suggests it has other options.

Semantics really.
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Post by g4qber » Fri, 26 May 2017, 19:33

good list here
http://evnomics.com.au/cable-selection-guide-1/

tho imiev and tesla roadster are missing


another good list here, but a few PHEVs not in aus yet.
http://www.evolutionaustralia.com.au/pr ... mp-charger
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Post by Bryce » Wed, 31 May 2017, 21:03

Hi - this is the most recent/definitive (!?) list of BEV/PHEV in Australia that I can find:
http://electricvehiclecouncil.com.au/vehicle-guide/

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