http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/ This is an XML content feed of; The Australian Electric Vehicle Asn : Last 10 Posts Copyright (c) 2006-2011 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 05 Feb 2012 09:18:19 +0000 Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:51:38 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.03 30 forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/RSS_topic_feed.asp http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_images/aeva_logo.gif http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/ http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2922&PID=35882&title=fully-electric-motorcycle-can-reach-speeds-of-160k#35882 Author: antiscab
Subject: Fully electric motorcycle can reach speeds of 160k
Posted: 05 February 2012 at 5:51am

The Roehr E-bike does 170kmh

Costs $45k by the time its in your garage with licence plate.

It does have 72kw though

going fast with an EV bike isn't novel anymore...]]> Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:51:38 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2922&PID=35882&title=fully-electric-motorcycle-can-reach-speeds-of-160k#35882 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2907&PID=35881&title=forum-software-upgrade#35881 Author: woody
Subject: Forum Software Upgrade
Posted: 05 February 2012 at 5:40am

Hi Andrew,
Before the upgrade I got an email for every single forum post, but I've recently noticed I seem to get one per topic. Is this a new feature / setting or is there something else going on ?
Can it be changed back?
Cheers,
Woody]]> Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:40:53 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2907&PID=35881&title=forum-software-upgrade#35881 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2924&PID=35880&title=white-vs-black-affect-on-car-temperature#35880 Author: jamie85063
Subject: White vs Black affect on Car Temperature
Posted: 05 February 2012 at 5:24am

I used to have a mini moke years ago and when i had the seats redone i had them done in white instead of the black they were. As this car had no roof the sun would beat straight down on the seats. Now with the white seats i could just hop on the seat and it would be only warm now when i did the same when they were black it would allmost burn me ]]> Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:24:42 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2924&PID=35880&title=white-vs-black-affect-on-car-temperature#35880 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35879&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35879 Author: woody
Subject: Making EVs commercially in AU: If not NOW, When?
Posted: 04 February 2012 at 10:23pm

The sums I've done go along these kind of lines:
1. 20k/ year at 10 L/100km at $1.50/L = $3,000/year
2. Electric Car does 150Wh/km @ $0.10/kWh off peak = $300/year
3. $6000 Battery does 2,000 cycles, range of 70km / charge = 140,000 = 7 years
4. After 7 years I am ahead because I would have spend $21K on petrol, instead I spent $6k on battery + $2.1K on electricity so I am $12.9k ahead :-)

This is nice, but assumes your pack lasts 3,000 cycles and you drive a fair bit quite regularly...
]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:23:52 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35879&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35879 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35878&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35878 Author: bladecar
Subject: Making EVs commercially in AU: If not NOW, When?
Posted: 04 February 2012 at 8:28pm

See, all that stuff you've mentioned (no, I haven't seen it) is exactly what I am going to try to avoid, because that's where I'm at at the moment.

I'm getting a car that is devoid of the obligations, that won't cost a certain rate because the only people you can deal with are operating at a mutual cosy level.

Swapping batteries is a little way into the future, but not on the horizon for people like me who either are building, have built, or simply decided to buy an ev because it will be mine, and not a (Put WorldWide Vehicle Manufacturer Name Here). That sort of infrastructure will have to be unavoidable and a bit of time will have to pass before I'll see the writing on the wall with battery swapping.

Petrol-free running would be great, but if the cost was a phone-like deal, I wouldn't be in it readily. Not when you can buy your phone and create your own data.

IVI, you're looking for betterplace validation, but I wouldn't be your standard customer, the customer that your advertising would be aimed at. It would be Prius long-range for me, or the next better thing, but along the same lines. Maybe 0.05 L/100K, or hydrogen hybrid, with the hydrogen generated readily with solar cells    ]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:28:54 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35878&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35878 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35877&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35877 Author: IVI
Subject: Making EVs commercially in AU: If not NOW, When?
Posted: 04 February 2012 at 3:21pm

Since swapping batteries won't take as long as refilling a petro / diesel / gas tank, today, wouldn't you agree to see this like "changing horses" in the wild West?]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:21:50 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35877&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35877 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35876&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35876 Author: IVI
Subject: Making EVs commercially in AU: If not NOW, When?
Posted: 04 February 2012 at 3:18pm

I got the impression that - in BetterPlace's business model - it -doesn't- matter which leg of their "charging infrastructure" you "fuel-up" with, you're still paying according to a pre-agreed "cost per Km" rate, each month.

Presumably, you'd need to sign-up for a set number of Km's per month, like mobile plans; so, if you fly off for a holiday trip, you'd not be getting much value for that month's payment (unless someone is home to drive your car), but that'd also be true for your home ADSL Internet or a mobile plan, too.

Is no one here in contact with folks (eg, in Denmark or Israel) lucky enough to be able to sign-up for such EV's there?

If not now, when?

If we rely on locals (some with unrevealed vested-interests), we're missing essential info on which to decide these matters.

Are any other EV makers offering any form of battery-swap service yet?]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:18:58 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35876&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35876 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35875&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35875 Author: IVI
Subject: Making EVs commercially in AU: If not NOW, When?
Posted: 04 February 2012 at 3:08pm

Naw... BetterPlace's Shai Agassi was (eg, in his Melbourne talk... have you view/heard it end-to-end?) quoting more like "cents / Km" & suggesting that:

+ since that cost is expected to -drop- on into the future,
+ those who agree to pay the -current- (higher) price - ie,
. over a long enough period - could have the car ~"free"...

Suppose they could do that (it's not so different from the
mobile phone subsidy schemes, really)... Could that work?]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:08:15 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35875&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35875 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35874&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35874 Author: bladecar
Subject: Making EVs commercially in AU: If not NOW, When?
Posted: 04 February 2012 at 7:35am

Edited: 11.35am

Hi IVI,

You can buy an Electron for $35,000 (I think) if you don't buy the batteries but lease them. I haven't looked at that data for some time, but I invite others to if that's the way they lean

When you buy a mobile, you can get a new phone included in the price-plan. You might as well get the mobile this way, because the price-plan does not favour buying one when you add in the HIGH COST OF DATA. The HIGH COST OF DATA is paying for the phone Also, you'll note that price plans only cover 2 years, everything's for short term, after all, you'll probably want to get a new one when the next model comes out.

I think it was Blade who pointed out that every time you do a battery swap (discharged battery for recharged battery) in one of these businesses, you will be paying GST because the battery mob will be providing a service.

Compare "planning to capture market-share via lower buy price & increased convenience (of refueling, maintenance, fuel-price, etc) with   "Pay a high price, (and there will be extra for the panels, but a one-off extra over, say, 20 years ((excluding possible repair to your own inverter)), own your own batteries (Blade suggests that the current batteries may last far longer than the 8 years he nominally claims), have any maintenance required done either by yourself, if you're capable, or with any provider in that area, according to what YOU wish to pay, fuel-price, well, already mentioned that, - one price, at the start, for 10 years.   Expensive, no, you tell me, I say no. RE BetterPlace, Increased convenience, well, yes, when we get to the stage of LONG distance ev's.

Long distance ev's aren't what I'm expecting, or planning for, any time soon, though, long-distance hybrids (such as the previously mentioned modified Prius (nilco2) which can do the long distance for next to no petrol (11 litres for 1000 km, if I remember rightly, (first you charge your batteries with your solar power)) can fill that role.

The "Greenies" already have their panels, even if they baulk at supporting a successful local supplier of perfectly-practical ev's (of course, not everyone will be able to buy at that cost, but those people won't be in this market for a long time).

I think that BetterPlace are great, because that is what it will take to get the hordes out of their petrol-guzzlers. If everyone went in the direction I'm going, supplying my own electricity, paying a lot for the vehicle and then planning (and hoping) to be just a little behind at the 8 year mark, but after 8 years of hassle-free quiet, environmentally successful driving, well, that's the alternative to "BetterPlace".

BetterPlace are the new Exxon, BP, Shell. Still necessary for a lot of people, but there are better alternatives for a lot of people.

Now, I don't really want any more of those. They lock in price, they limit your options. Can you imagine looking at your BlabberPlite bill and seeing that it's still higher on wednesdays, that they didn't charge extra at the start of a long weekend, for a change.

Of course, if eveyone did what I'm planning to do, they would (and I've heard they will) tax the electricity that my own panels produce, even though the government didn't put a cent towards the purchase of those panels. The government runs on a budget, and if we do the right thing and reduce our consumption of any number of nasty things, then the tax rate goes up on those, and other things, in order to maintain the income. This happened with Brisbane water.

The Government will love BetterPlace, seeing employment and taxes from the employees and the company, but the profits, more and more, will be going overseas.

But never mind, as Dick Smith said on ABC radio during the week, to paraphrase, "We will end up seeing 2 petrol companies, 2 banks, 2 newspaper companies, 2 car makers...." in the WORLD, as we continue on the way we are, because that is what ENDLESS GROWTH leads to You can't get bigger if you don't eliminate others, but the futility of the claimed "efficiency road" will be there for all to see when you have 2 of each company. Because, just as in a yacht match race, they claim to be keeping each other in check, but in reality, they just want to pip each other over the line.

In a match race, the time (prices) are irrelevant. Leading, at the end, is all that matters.

In a world of 2 of each company, which group or entity, in the world, will be taking the world's profits? Scary, ain't it.

I say BetterPlace are for the also-rans, those who discover an ev future because they are suddenly offered new products, just as the old products disappear.

And I say, you buy an ev for the environment, above all else, but then also because you can.

Everybody, repeat after me "We are all individuals".

Edited by bladecar - Yesterday at 9:35am]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:35:51 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2919&PID=35874&title=making-evs-commercially-in-au-if-not-now-when#35874 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2909&PID=35873&title=ac-motor-controlers#35873 Author: coulomb
Subject: AC motor controlers
Posted: 04 February 2012 at 6:54am

coulomb wrote: coulomb wrote: There is also the 144 V nominal Curtis AC controller coming, due about the second quarter this year. It may have been cancelled, though...

And it may still be coming and due in July 2012:

DIYElectriccar: "HPG AC30/31/50 owners thread"]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 06:54:38 +0000 http://forums.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2909&PID=35873&title=ac-motor-controlers#35873